"Napoleonic Austrian Infantry Action Review" Topic
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Tango01 | 28 Nov 2020 10:10 p.m. PST |
"The Habsburg Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, Francis II (1768-1835), viewed the French Revolution and the subsequent killing of the French king with as much horror as the other crowned heads of Europe, and this animosity turned into open warfare in 1792, beginning over twenty years of struggle. While the Holy Roman Empire ceased to exist in 1806, the Habsburg Austrian Empire continued to face France with her very multi-national army, made up of contingents from all over the Empire. Austrian troops participated in many of the major battles of the early Napoleonic Wars, including Marengo, Ulm and of course Austerlitz, yet the ordinary line infantry has not been well represented with figures in the past. This set and series from HaT helps to change that. HaT have taken the approach of splitting sets between ‘action', ‘march' and ‘command' before, which gives the customer flexibility in what they buy, but tends to leave few poses in the action and march sets. This is an example, with just five poses to depict these men in battle. Two are firing, two advancing and one is at attention, so this is a very basic selection and hardly one that would provide a realistic scene of men in action (the man at attention can hardly be described as ‘action' anyway). There is nothing much wrong with any of them, they are just very few in number…"
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Sad so few poses… Amicalement Armand
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Widowson | 30 Nov 2020 12:11 a.m. PST |
The concept of "action" "marching" and "command" is good, but execution is lame. Action should be divided between advancing/charging, firing line, with more poses. You can get away with only five poses in a marching unit. Not so with "action." |
Tango01 | 30 Nov 2020 12:41 p.m. PST |
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Timbo W | 30 Nov 2020 2:10 p.m. PST |
I was really hoping for optional shakos, oh well! |
SHaT1984 | 30 Nov 2020 3:21 p.m. PST |
DO manufacturers listen even if they are told? |
Tango01 | 01 Dec 2020 12:27 p.m. PST |
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Widowson | 06 Dec 2020 9:08 p.m. PST |
SHaT, It took decades for us to convince them that kneeling firing poses were of little use. Decades. Decades more to get pose variation on metal figures. |
Widowson | 06 Dec 2020 9:10 p.m. PST |
By who's definition is that guy on the far right, at attention, considered "action." That's just total bs. He could have been an advancing figure, or an alternate firing pose, or reaching for a cartridge. He's got no business being in a set called "action." |
SHaT1984 | 07 Dec 2020 3:13 p.m. PST |
>>It took decades for us to convince them that kneeling firing poses were of little use. Ohh pooh! I like them as thier usually better castings than more popular and worn out ones. If you've looked at my threads you may have seen a smattering of skirmishers in such, and the firing pose. On the latter, despite that being their principle job, they are the least welcome pose for me. Excessive length of firearms, brittle in some cases, poorly positioned as to double rank you have to angle them etc. And you have to carefully create storage/travel containers lest 'crowding' have an effect. I agree he's not 'aggressive', yet there are places for such 'minutemen' on guard somewhere, or filling the back ranks. You point out what we all know- the 'industry' may include a lot of enthusiastic hobbyists, but they certainly aren't or won't employ research specialists. d |
Widowson | 08 Dec 2020 1:24 p.m. PST |
Look at those old HaT sets, especially. Four to eight kneeling firing poses. At best you could use a couple for skirmishing figures, but Napoleonic soldiers cannot reload from a kneeling position – they'd have to stand and expose themselves at their most vulnerable – while reloading. They are only good for British squares. Very limited. And sure, there is some use for figures standing at attention, but not in a set called "action." They belong in a set called "marching," at best. |
SHaT1984 | 10 Dec 2020 3:30 p.m. PST |
Lol- >> – they'd have to stand and expose themselves at their most vulnerable – isn't that a self-defeating argument? Don't disagree otherwise, |
4th Cuirassier | 11 Dec 2020 8:00 a.m. PST |
I actually use kneeling as visual shorthand for "light infantry" and firing likewise to mean "elite company". A French infantry battalion therefore has four companies of fusiliers in a standing or marching pose, a grenadier company standing firing (because elite) and a voltigeur company kneeling firing (because elite and also light). A French light battalion has four kneeling-on-guard companies and two kneeling firing companies because the carabiniers were light too. All of a Young Guard battalion are kneeling firing. British follow the same principle although I am toying with letting the Foot Guards, when I get to them, have more than one light company per battalion, following Rod MacArthur's very interesting research. It's handy when the uniforms otherwise look too similar at tabletop distances. If some uniform feature makes it clear who's light, eg Rifle green, then I skip the kneeling thing. Agree the standing guy looks out of place there but these otherwise seem like very nice figures. |
SHaT1984 | 12 Dec 2020 2:26 p.m. PST |
Ditto it adds 'character' to a unit. But dammit I still bought- decades ago- at least 10 fusiliers firing, so they have to find a role in the rear ranks of a 'refurbished' unit next year. Now, back to the Autrians_____ |
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