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Tango0122 Oct 2020 9:36 p.m. PST

"Much of what we think we know about the 1914-18 conflict is wrong, writes historian Dan Snow.

No war in history attracts more controversy and myth than World War One.

For the soldiers who fought it was in some ways better than previous conflicts, and in some ways worse…"
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BillyNM22 Oct 2020 10:22 p.m. PST

Has Dan Snow been living in a box for the last fifty years? Anyone who actually bothers to read anything on the period knows all this, with the possible exception of the Treaty of Versailles not being harsh and that's open to debate (‘harshness' is about perception and comparing the treaty to something in the future that hadn't happened is none too convincing an argument).

FatherOfAllLogic23 Oct 2020 6:47 a.m. PST

These myths are probably held by people who watched one documentary on TV. Those who actually read books about warfare are not likely to.

Pan Marek23 Oct 2020 8:11 a.m. PST

While the article makes some good and accurate points, it seems determined to reconstruct the western front into
'it was more or less like all other wars".
As if the reactions of the public and culture to the massive amounts of wounded (both physically and mentally) and dead was all wrong. That the first hand accounts written were mistaken. Note that going to multiple websites reveals that British/Irish deaths were around 750,000, not 700,000.

The article ignores WHY troops took to the trenches, and WHY they needed helmets and gas masks. And what kind of condition many wounded "survivors" endured for the rest of their lives (I wish I could remember the old photo book I stumbled on in an antique shop decades ago, but there are plenty of gruesome photos around).

As for "changing tactics", the article ignores the UK's and indeed, all the western allies lagging behind the Germans in infiltration and squad tactics. At the Somme, 125,000 British died in 19th century style wave assaults on dug in machine guns. For little gain.

Yet the article lauds the British command. Is the author kidding?

I've read plenty of books about warfare, and warfare in WWI in particular. I've also served. This relatively new trend, 100 years after the war ended, and the maimed are all dead, as are those who remember the dead and maimed, and who willfully ignore the cultural reaction to WWI, may have their stats right, but they miss the forest for the trees.

And lets face it. The war got going for reasons only slightly more understandable than the War of Jenkins Ear.

Did the intense pacifism of the interwar years arise from nothing?

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2020 8:23 a.m. PST

The red poppies in the moat of the Tower of London spokes volumes to me.

Bill N23 Oct 2020 9:10 a.m. PST

Number 10 is a universal constant of warfare. That it would be true of WW1 should not be a surprise.

Numbers 5 and 9 we could argue about. However we've been arguing about them for decades.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP23 Oct 2020 11:37 a.m. PST

As always from this broadcaster (I find the title 'historian' undeserved) a very shallow review made up more of sound bites than sound history.

I too find the description of British command's performance distasteful as their incompetence cost many their lives. Yes, by the latter part of the war, they had learned tactics that the Germans used in 1915 and implemented some innovations but none of these were originally from anyone in the general staff.

Tango0123 Oct 2020 12:54 p.m. PST

Thanks!.


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