"What Happens When China Leads the World" Topic

"What kind of superpower will China be? That's the question of the 21st century. According to American leaders such as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, China will be a rapacious authoritarian nightmare, intent on destroying democracy itself. Beijing, needless to say, doesn't quite agree.

Fortunately for those of us seeking answers to this question, China was a major power for long stretches of history, and the foreign policies and practices of its great dynasties can offer us insights into how modern Chinese leaders may wield their widening power now and in the future…"
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Amicalement
Armand

Though we do need to worry about this – global warming is the bigger threat to most of us.

That said – the two are connected. China's grab for land, seas and so on has much to do with anxiety about how to feed its huge population in the coming decades. While many western leaders are denying or downplaying the science – China is clearly not.

We all have to wear Mao suits?

The Coms will rule the world and reduce society to the lowest common denominator. Most Coms people will live in low tech villages and settlements. Eventually the Yangs, who have been reduced to barbarians will increase in number to the point where they are irresistible and begin overrunning Com settlements. Eventually extraterrestrials will appear and remind the Yangs of their heritage.

Nice Trek reference. Are we just going to forget about the Uighur situation? Sounds like it.

All non-Chinese need to stock up on KY.

Unless not only China but India start to take some measures in respect to global warming. With being the two nations that consist of about 40% of the World's population. They will have the biggest influence on the weather, etc.

Yangs and aliens not withstanding …

(smile)

Amicalement
Armand

You can see what it'll do, based upon what it is doing now, only worse, e.g.:

- arresting/kidnapping and shipping people off to "re-education camps";

- enslaving them via forced labor;

- cracking down on religion and freedom of speech both of which are verboten in China, and imprisoning or killing many that oppose them;

- making opponents disappear forever;

- arresting and torturing friends and family members of those that dare to speak out against them;

- seizing territory to which they have no claim and -declaring it to be "sovereign Chinese territory"; --

- enforcing a one child policy – infanticide;

- and using citizens for organ harvesting against their will.

All live, serve, and die at the whims of the Communist Chinese Peoples' Party, even today. As they grow in power, things will only get worse.

You can look to how the Chinese people were treated under Chairman Mao to see the future, only they'll be far less benevolent to foreigners.

- " According to the Chinese Ministry of Health, industrial pollution has made cancer China's leading cause of death. Every year, ambient air pollution alone killed hundreds of thousands of citizens. 500 million people in China are without safe and clean drinking water."

And that's what they are admitting to.

I suspect it will be a mixture of the old tributary system with elements of European mercantilism courtesy of Belt and Road and other economic initiatives.

Democracy is pooched even without China. Democracy has been on the decline even in the west for some time now. This is due to 9-11 and the growth of the security state within the west and the expansion of corporate power and wealth at the expense of ordinary people.

The other thing that will help kill western democracy is hyper individualisation and society fragmentation due to the impact of the internet and multiculturalism (multiculturalism is proven to decrease public trust, social cohesion, trust in government etc – look up research by Robert Putnam).

At some point the western democracies will probably converge with other "developing economies" in terms of living standards. This includes converging with China. You will have the hyper rich living in walled cities and supported by massive security apparatuses and a mass of urban poor. This already happens in the rest of the world.

So western standards in terms of living standards or human rights will probably continue to deteriorate to the point there's not much difference between China and the west.

I hope you are wrong on much of that … And hopefully I'll be long gone if such a World comes about … 💀👻

It's already been happening for at least 20 years, 40 if you include the start of neo-liberalisation, deindustrialisation and mass immigration programs.

In America it's all too obvious with the degraded infrastructure (minimum of $4 USD trillion required to fix it) and declining life expectancy and health outcomes. You have had a massive expansion of the security state since 9-11.

The deterioration of democracy is also evident across the west with greater clampdowns on media, loss of transparency and accountability, loss of faith in government, faltering participation rates, growth of influence and power of lobby groups etc etc.

In Australia we've even had people gaoled secretly and the government even considers it a good thing to share citizen health data with their 5 Eyes surveillance partners.

It literally is feeling like we are living in 1984. I doubt George Wells intended that book to be a how-to manual.

I can see where arealdeadone is getting at. China can be characterized as a structured, hierarchical and homogeneous society of the Han Chinese in which conformity, respect for authority and social harmony are valued.

By contrast, the multi-cultural, heterogeneous melting-pot society touted for so long as a strength in the US has degenerated into a fractious cesspool of seemingly irreconcilable differences borne out of racial and socio-economic divisions and inequality. Part of the problem is that 50 percent of the wealth is owned by the top 1 percent.

Unless America can overcome her deep problems at home, China's system will continue to rise at her expense.

The other part of the problem is that we didn't listen to the wisdom of TR.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

It literally is feeling like we are living in 1984. I doubt George Wells intended that book to be a how-to manual.

Yes, I believe Orwell's 1984 was more of a warning, so to speak, to future generations.

China will not dominate the world as a single power. There will be opposing powers.
So many errors and why nots that the issue is mote and a waste of time.

They were the world's largest economic power in 1800.

What goes around, comes around.

I'm sure that their future nemesis is already bulking up.

Today the US has the largest economy followed by the PRC. For what it is worth. Note California has the 5th largest economy on the planet. Which is still part of the USA AFAIK …

Left out that they are bribing and blackmailing people here too, including political leaders, as well as stealing our intellectual property and tech.

Heard on the news last night that they are rating the 50 US governors as to their position(s) on Chine, e.g. friend, foe, or neutral.

No doubt, while hoovering up ALL that personal data on Americans, they'll be using that to affect people and leaders here and all over the globe.

They've also set up Confucius Schools, which are really nothing more than propaganda and spy outlets on our soil.

Apparently, the CCP has been effective in getting CA's "leadership" to significantly tone down, if not outright keep them from being critical of China's various nefarious practices, imprisoning and mistreating their own people, sending them to re-education camps, organ harvesting, etc., etc..

It's already been happening for at least 20 years, 40 if you include the start of neo-liberalisation, deindustrialisation and mass immigration programs.

In America it's all too obvious with the degraded infrastructure (minimum of $4 USD USD trillion required to fix it) and declining life expectancy and health outcomes. You have had a massive expansion of the security state since 9-11.

The deterioration of democracy is also evident across the west with greater clampdowns on media, loss of transparency and accountability, loss of faith in government, faltering participation rates, growth of influence and power of lobby groups etc etc.

In Australia we've even had people gaoled secretly and the government even considers it a good thing to share citizen health data with their 5 Eyes surveillance partners.

It literally is feeling like we are living in 1984. I doubt George Wells intended that book to be a how-to manual.

Very well put. Globalization and its consequences have been a disaster for the working class, and directly enabled the rise of China.

It's not just multiculturalism – it's the "white" cultures themselves that are hyper fragmented and hyper individualistic, all of which contributes to societal dysfunction as people pursue self interest at the expense of society.

This isn't just the rich or 1%, it's everyone. There's no more social value system of the sort that used to ensure some sort of self regulation.

In essence too much freedom without responsibility.

People may view Victorian era or 1950s as culturally oppressive these days but it's swung too far the other direction.

USAFPilot,

Totally agree with your point. I am a migrant myself and my loyalty is 100% to Australia. Then you get people like my brother who despite being born in Australia is still loyal to the old Croatian homeland and now even has dual citizenship.