| Tango01 | 30 Sep 2020 4:24 p.m. PST |
"The war waged by Azerbaijan against the Nagorno-Karabagh enclave supported by Armenia has already seen a sigificant number of military and civilian casualties. This enclave is claimed by both Armenia and Azerbaijan…."
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| arealdeadone | 30 Sep 2020 5:52 p.m. PST |
The attrition rates are actually quite large given the sizes of the forces involved. This has also been the case in Syria, Yemen and Libya It does raise serious questions for tokenistic NATO forces. If you're whole army is a mere two brigades with maybe 30 tanks and 24 artillery pieces, how long can you expect whatever is deployable to last in a peer level conflict? |
| Thresher01 | 30 Sep 2020 8:57 p.m. PST |
Less than 24 hours, I suspect, unless you are really, REALLY good at hiding them from the enemy. Of course, 30 tanks is more like two companies worth or armor, not two BRIGADES. |
| Tango01 | 30 Sep 2020 9:46 p.m. PST |
"Russia claims Turkey has sent 'terrorists' from Syria and Libya into Nagorno-Karabakh warzone as fighting between Armenia and Aberbaijan escalates " link France and Turkey at odds as Karabakh fighting divides NATO allies link
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| arealdeadone | 30 Sep 2020 11:51 p.m. PST |
f course, 30 tanks is more like two companies worth or armor, not two BRIGADES. No that's two brigade all up including infantry! The usual set up for many NATO partner states seems to involve two brigades: 1. Heavy brigade – with an armoured "battalion" and 2 mech infantry battalions in IFV. 2. Light brigade – with 3 motorised infantry battalions in light wheeled APCS or even MRAPS Note these brigades are often missing key components such as artillery, air defence, reconnaissance, NBC etc (these are usually pooled centrally). |
| Tango01 | 01 Oct 2020 12:33 p.m. PST |
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 Legion 4   | 01 Oct 2020 2:54 p.m. PST |
That sounds about right arealdeadone. |
| Thresher01 | 02 Oct 2020 7:25 p.m. PST |
Yea, I get the names they're calling some units now, but I'm going with the more "real world" olde skool definitions, since I'm a dinosaur. |
| Tango01 | 03 Oct 2020 8:29 p.m. PST |
"Azerbaijan claims advances in Nagorno-Karabakh region, as Armenia vows to continue fight …" YouTube link
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Armenia was caught by surprised by this Azerbaijan invasion. They are losing this war…
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| arealdeadone | 04 Oct 2020 3:13 p.m. PST |
Armenian footage of an apparent Azeri retreat. Armenians are using heavy artillery: youtu.be/fPw1rq9vdps Armenians have been shelling at least one Azerbaijani city ( Ganja ) and have apparently also threatened use of Iskander-E short range ballistic missiles. I also read unconfirmed reports that multiple Il-76 flights have been detected from Israel to Azerbaijan to restock supplies of suicide drones and other equipment. It is known that Israel had previously supplied these systems to Azerbaijan. It is indicative of how insane Israeli policy is these days = they are selling weapons to a key Turkish ally despite its growing differences with Turkey ( no doubt some of those Harop and Orbiter suicide drones have ended up in Turkey for reverse engineering ) ! |
| arealdeadone | 05 Oct 2020 4:09 p.m. PST |
Azerbaijan is now shelling Armenian city of Stepanake. Judging by the footage it is indiscriminate shelling and use of cluster munitions against civilian targets has been confirmed (footage of a strike on a suburban street). Also on the Twitter sphere there have been photos of soldiers with Grey Wolf insignia in Azerbaijan. Grey Wolves are a Turkish paramilitary group originally formed as a "stay behind" unit under NATO's operation Gladio and who have since been involved in a number of atrocities and terror attacks. Their links to the Turkish government are murky but they have been used both internally and externally to push Turkish interests.
It seems that Sultan Erdogan definitely has his finger in this pie.
Russia on the other hand is strangely staying largely quiet.
As to reasons why, following article discusses possibilities.
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Personally I think the Russian focus is on Belarus which is far more critical than the decades old conflict in the Causcasus.
And interesting commentary on Russia's patience with Turkey:
link With interference and belligerence in Libya, Syria, Greece and now Armenia, Turkey has without a doubt become an even more destabilising force in the greater middle east/Mediterranean area than even Iran. |
| Tango01 | 05 Oct 2020 8:38 p.m. PST |
"Civilians are killed and injured as major cities are shelled in growing conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia"
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| Legion 4 | 05 Oct 2020 8:52 p.m. PST |
Looks like another bloody mess in that region with a number of players. And the Turks still look like NATO can't really trust them if it came down to it. As they become less secular and get more religion, per se … |
| arealdeadone | 06 Oct 2020 2:56 p.m. PST |
Canada has suspended export of key UAV related avionics and sensors to Turkey after allegations these drones were used in Azerbaijan conflict. link |
| Legion 4 | 06 Oct 2020 3:09 p.m. PST |
That is interesting … They may just have to get another supplier. |
| Tango01 | 06 Oct 2020 8:32 p.m. PST |
"A sapper works next to an unexploded BM-30 Smerch rocket allegedly fired by Armenian forces in the fighting over the breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh, near the Mingachevir Hydro Power Station in the town of Mingachevir, Azerbaijan, October 5. REUTERS/Stringer …"
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| Legion 4 | 07 Oct 2020 7:02 a.m. PST |
"Daddy … what did you do at work today ? " 😁 |
with some 'babes', and she did the rest...
