"Video Shows Russian S-400 Missile Hitting Its Own Launcher" Topic

"The Russian military along with six other militaries have been engaged in intense combat exercises in Russia's southern military district, named the Kavkaz-2020. However, an interesting video has surfaced over social media, showing the firing of the S-400 Missile Defence System.

The video shows the firing of two missiles under an air defence simulation scenario, where the first missile successfully fired and completed its boost phase. While, the problem starts with the second missile, which successfully separated from the launcher fails to initiate its boost phase and the missile, fell back to the ground over the launch vehicle itself.

After the missile falls over the vehicle, soldiers are seen running to take cover behind military trucks, while black smoke rising in the background…"

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Amicalement
Armand

How do you say DOH! in Russian …

I still maintain that the S400 (or S300PMU-3 as it was first known) is overrated junk.

The Israelis have no problems bypassing S300s or S400s over Syria.

A2/AD is a myth.

From what I've seen pretty much all air defense is junk. CWIS and CRAM and the the like seem to do okay but you have to let projectiles get close. Everything for long range or anti aircraft seems to be rubbish.

In Armenia and Azerbaijan's current fighting drones seem to be running rampant. Air defenses don't stop them.

I agree A2AD is myth. Why do you think China is trying to develop a conventional fleet on the same level as America. Wouldn't need it for a long time if A2AD worked.

Been there, done that. Short round from an 81mm mortar landed about 10 yards in front of the tube.

A Patriot launcher was nearly destroyed by a missile it launched during the Kuwait War (Desert Storm). Controls appeared to have locked full over and the missile tucked under in an incredibly tight turn.

The footage is unforgettable.

Well … I guess this falls under Murphy's Law and Happens ! 😁 But yes, Virginia … sometimes weapons system don't work as they as supposed to. E.g. like an M47 MAW round snapping it's wire. Been there … done that … 🤩😎

Today USA Airforce lost F-35B hitting its tanker.
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Should we consider that the plane is junk? I guess not,
S-400 is not supposed to be hitting drones, may be except those plane-size. If you put hundreds of drones in the air some will reach the targets…but these small birds will not be carrying nukes.S 400 is more about nuclear parity. What all armies are lacking at the moment are systems that can deal with lots and lots fo drones. You can beat them if you concentrate lots of AA systems in one place, like in Russian airbase in Syria which is under constant attacks from "brave democratic syrian forces" who are sometimes laying their hands on Turkish drones….and the base is perfectly fine.
Also, Armeians claiming downing 85 drones, take it or leave it. May be later we'll have more info, if it is true, and if it is, how they did it (and if it was worth doing so with resources spent)

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Amicalement
Armand

Perhaps they could market that as a design "feature" for when you are about to be over-run, and don't want the system to fall into enemy hands, or when you deem an air defense crew to be sub-par in performance, and don't want to take the time to dress them down properly.

Problem solved.

Barin,

I consider Russian AD junk because:

1. The Israelis are bombing Damascus and other Syrian targets at will despite the presence of an advanced Russian air defence network equipped with S300, Pantsir, BUK as well as other older systems.

2. Both Pantsir and BUK systems have failed to stop drone attacks in Syria and Libya and were effectively neutralised or destroyed by Turkish drones or Israeli aircraft launched missiles.

3. S400 capabilities have been blown out of proportion. Eg 400 km range is often noted but the reality is that those 40N6 missiles aren't in service and best range is 250 km against an airliner sized target flying at 30,000 feet! Against a fighter sized target the effective range is closer to 30 kilometres which means fighters can launch stand off missiles outside the S400s range.

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4. The laws of physics means S400 is not effective in stopping stealth aircraft. Current Russian and Chinese AD radars might detect the general presence of stealth aircraft but not in sufficient enough clarity to obtain a firing solution.

I will note Patriot has been a failure in stopping Houthi ballistic missiles as well.

I am convinced AD/A2 is not a valid strategy in defence. It's too static and too easily bypassed. It gives the initiative to the attacker.

The best defence is still a well equipped offensive force based on a combination of manned fighters and cruise missiles.

And the second best defence is still a manned fighter supported by AWACS!

There's much more behind everything we're discussing here.

Panzir was indeed supposed to shoot drones, and failed at certain cases, better now, than in real war. If it can be improved, it will be done.

Buk was created before anybody even heard the word "drone". Well, in in first Star Wars films maybe.

Several drones, including Predator, were lost over Lybia though and dozens in Eastern Ukraine. Apart of hitting them, it seems that jamming also works fine.

We have a very special relations with Israel, for example they are/were essential part of our drone program. S-400 was not used against Israel planes in Syria, Syrian S-300 were. Since most of the targets were Hamas or Iran troops, and the relations between all parties in Syria are very complicated, sometimes I had impression that nobody really wanted to prevent some of the strikes. Also worth noting that Israel planes like to shoot missiles been out of Syrial airspace.

Turks tested S-400 against their F-16 (don't think they were actually shooting them),were quite happy with results and wanted to buy more. Not sure we'll sell them now, given the situation in Armenia.

If there was an opportunity that first strike can succeed, the world would have burned in nuclear war many years ago. The fact that we're still alive is bcs there's no guarantee that your nukes will reach their targets, as some of them will be destroyed (and of course you will not destroy all enemy nukes, used in retaliation strike).
All former START treaties were not only about offensive numbers, but about radars and SAM ptotected zones.

Each strategy has a counter. If a war starts, AWACS and satellites are of course priority targets, and then it all falls to ICBMs, subs, etc.
Hope we're not going to see it.

The point about Israel striking Syria outside of Syrian airspace is moot. Stand off weapons are a viable tactic even if the Russian air force is in denial about it.

If you bypass S400 wit long range weapons then the S400 has been rendered useless.

Sounds about right to me …