Tango01   | 12 Sep 2020 9:15 p.m. PST |
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| Bill N | 13 Sep 2020 5:21 a.m. PST |
It is well done. It is also F&IW, not AWI. |
| Oberlindes Sol LIC | 13 Sep 2020 10:34 a.m. PST |
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| Tango01 | 13 Sep 2020 3:11 p.m. PST |
Happy you like it boys! (smile) I know about F&IW…. not sure if they can managed for AWI…
Amicalement
Armand
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| 42flanker | 14 Sep 2020 12:55 p.m. PST |
What ever his faults, as I recall Braddock did think to have the troops issued with small clothes of Osnaburg linen and light marching gaiters, in an attempt to ease the task of marching through the Pennsylvania woods in high summer. (Shame about the lack of scouts). These poor fellows rather look like they got caught in a little known setback on the field of MInden. |
| Tango01 | 15 Sep 2020 1:16 p.m. PST |
Thanks!. Amicalement
Armand |
| historygamer | 16 Sep 2020 7:14 a.m. PST |
"light marching gaiters…" Okay 42nd, you are going to have to expand on that, as that is term I've never heard of before. ;-) Braddock made many changes, both equipment-wise (ahead of his time), and tactically in how he re-arranged the firings and formations used on the march. In many ways, he was about 20 years ahead of his time. But he had poor troops to work with, and little time to train them. It was nothing short of a mircale he got as far as he did. |
| 42flanker | 16 Sep 2020 1:36 p.m. PST |
@Historygamer – not pipe-clayed white parade gaiters as worn by the models in the diorama? In fact, IIRC, hadn't brown or grey marching gaiters already been adopted for campaign sur le continent ? I also doubt there was much curled or powdered hair to be seen on the road to Fort Duquesne. |
| Bill N | 16 Sep 2020 5:49 p.m. PST |
Braddock also had, for a European army, a terribly inadequate supply train. Can't remember the source but it seems that both Washington and Braddock had a hard time securing adequate wagons to move supplies up from the head of navigation at Alexandria. As late as the AWI rivers and coastal shipping were the primary ways of moving goods around, with wagons being used for relatively shorter hauls from points of navigation to the final destination. The owners of what wagons there were available were almost certainly reluctant to risk their source of income on a venture into the wilderness where their investment might easily be destroyed. |
| historygamer | 17 Sep 2020 8:44 a.m. PST |
42nd – Yeah, I hate being too critical of diaramas posted on here, especially when done by others than the OP. Brown seemed to be worn for this campaign, though later ones saw more black, then a move to wool and Indian leggins in 1759. Blue wool disappeared, so sometimes green was worn. There were a number of nits with the figures/paintings. I try keep my tongue sometimes. :-) |
| historygamer | 17 Sep 2020 8:48 a.m. PST |
Bill N: Spot on. What looked good in the Duke's drawing room on London turned out to be completely unrealistic on the groud. The goal for Braddock was to get to Fort Niagara before fall. Even today, that is a very long drive from Alexandria to Fort Niagara, having done it a few times myself. If you read the Cubbison book on the Forbes campaign, you can see why Forbes chose to move from Philly instead of VA. In regards to the AWI and wagons, it certainly seems like the Crown found all they wanted when the vacated Philly in the summer of 1778. How long was that wagon train? Very. :-) |
| Bill N | 17 Sep 2020 11:09 a.m. PST |
It helps when you have a large enough pile of gold, plus the threat to seize it without compensation if the owner isn't cooperative. I don't believe I have read Cubbison. Will try to put it on my list. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 42flanker | 17 Sep 2020 11:55 a.m. PST |
@history gamer, fair enough but it mystifies me, what with the considerable effort and skill that goes into sculpting and painting these figures when it seems the artists to have that much interest in engaging with the event depicted in historical terms, either factually or imaginatively with respect to the probabilities. What is the appeal, I ask myself, ye ken? I am indeed a terrible person to watch films with. However, I don't think observing that smart hair-do's are not very likely at the end of a long wilderness march is nit-picking, really.
Wagons- The perennial problem of insufficient civilian wagonry was solved during the AWI by British officers in New York investing in a wagon fleet which they then hired out to the QMG dept, including suitable compensation for wagons damaged or lost. Those who invested did very well out of it. The fact that this included Howe's QMG himsself, Sir William Erskine led to accusations of graft which Erskine defended successfully in the course of two govt enquiries after he returned back home in 1779. |
| historygamer | 17 Sep 2020 3:01 p.m. PST |
We'll, Braddock's defeat took place in July, so why the fall foliage?:-) |
 John the OFM | 17 Sep 2020 4:53 p.m. PST |
Braddock's expedition was like Market Garden. 90% successful, except for that bit at the end.
He just needed better PR!
But being dead, maybe he had no more use for good PR. |
| John the OFM | 17 Sep 2020 7:44 p.m. PST |
Has no one brought up the agony of defeat?
I'll get my hat… |
| historygamer | 17 Sep 2020 8:28 p.m. PST |
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| 42flanker | 18 Sep 2020 2:01 a.m. PST |
"We'll know bettr next time…" |
| historygamer | 18 Sep 2020 1:49 p.m. PST |
Except at Grant's Defeat LoL |
| historygamer | 18 Sep 2020 8:53 p.m. PST |
And why wasn't that battle instead named as some sort of Indian victory? LoL |
| 42flanker | 20 Sep 2020 10:41 a.m. PST |
'why wasn't that battle instead named as some sort of Indian victory? ' "He aint got no papers of his own.
He's 'asn't got no medals or awards.
So, we must certify the skill he's shown…" |
wonders if he can resize 3Dprinted dungeon tiles to match his other dungeon tiles…
