Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 3:17 a.m. PST |
the dutch engineer George Diederich Benthien had 500 men left 1/4 hour in the icey water than rest dry |
Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 4:40 a.m. PST |
so not only Eble when he was told by letter to destroy his pontoons he replied with very strong words not only go to hell was one of them |
Brechtel198 | 09 Sep 2020 5:02 a.m. PST |
General Eble, an artillery officer, was the commander of the ponton units of the Grande Armee in Russia. Pontonniers were part of the artillery arm, not the engineers. Eble's foresight when the order was given to burn any excess vehicles at Orsha and give the horses to the artillery in saving enough caissons with tools and charcoal enabled him, and the engineers and sailors assigned to him, to build the Berezina bridges. Eble went into the water with every shift of his pontonniers to build the bridges and to repair them when they broke. He died of exhaustion at Konigsberg at the end of the retreat. He delayed burning the bridges as long as he could so the mass of stragglers could cross. About 10,000 of them refused and were captured. Eble and his pontonniers saved the remnants of the Grande Armee at the Berezina along with Victor's hard-fighting rear guard and the Swiss who defeated every Russian attempt to capture the French bridgehead on the west bank of the river. |
Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 5:15 a.m. PST |
the dutch 3de guard had part in this to |
Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 5:22 a.m. PST |
this story about Eble only French written bio account? |
Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 5:30 a.m. PST |
being destroyed in this campaign in their white got the blue one later on |
Artilleryman | 09 Sep 2020 8:08 a.m. PST |
I thought the 3rd Grenadiers lost so many men that that they were never reconstituted after 1812? |
Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 12:58 p.m. PST |
as the3d incorperated ith n1 and2 nd |
Sarge Joe | 09 Sep 2020 1:32 p.m. PST |
in the waterloo capaign not all dutch |
Brechtel198 | 09 Sep 2020 3:41 p.m. PST |
The survivors of the 3d (Dutch) Grenadiers were put into the 1st and 2d Grenadiers a Pied in 1813. |
DrsRob | 09 Sep 2020 4:59 p.m. PST |
The 3rd Grenadiers (or what was left of it) was disbanded in 1813. De 3rd Regiment of 1815 was an entirely new and entirely different regiment. It was the 2nd Lancers that was reconstituted after the 1812 campaign, and mostly with Frenchmen. In Holland the Pontonnier Company had become part of the Artillery and Engineer Corps in 1806. At this time Benthien was appointed its commander. In 1811 it became the 11th Company of Pontonniers. As such it was, with the 7th, responsible for building the bridges over the Berezina. Benthien was in command of the 400 pontonniers from these two companies, at least according to his own recollections. However, he served under General Eblé. In the new Dutch Army of 1814 the pontonniers were for a few years joined with the sappers and miners in one bataillon. So it is again after WWII. This is – I think – the origin of the remark that Dutch engineers build the Bridges over the Berezina. |
Brechtel198 | 10 Sep 2020 5:15 a.m. PST |
The 'Red Lancers' when reformed in 1815 as the Guard Lancer Regiment had as its 1st Squadron the Polish lancers that returned from Elba with Napoleon. The French pontonnier arm was initially formed from Rhine River bargemen, and the 1st Pontonnier Battalion, which was the one that built the bridges over the Berezina apparently suffered 90% casualties. |
Sarge Joe | 11 Sep 2020 4:57 a.m. PST |
the French king send all foreign troops – red lancers- on their back home were recalled to france because he was back again from elba |
Sarge Joe | 11 Sep 2020 5:04 a.m. PST |
that's why there were there so less lancers? |
Sarge Joe | 11 Sep 2020 5:06 a.m. PST |
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Brechtel198 | 11 Sep 2020 5:19 a.m. PST |
There were three foreign regiments in the French army between Napoleon's first abdication and his return from Elba. They were designated the 1st, 2d, and 3d Foreign Regiments and were uniformed in sky blue faced scarlet. The following 1824 volume by JB Avril is an excellent reference for French infantry regiments, line and light, from the end of the old regime until the Bourbon restoration. It gives lineages, who was what, and is especially good for the amalgames. link |
Sarge Joe | 12 Sep 2020 9:05 a.m. PST |
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