"Saxons at Jena" Topic

Regret the long silence! Work and life has been busy, but now I am finally beginning to start organizing and painting units for the 1806 campaigns. I had a work related move from Denver to Lexington, KY and now that a couple years have passed, I have found my 1806 Saxon units. So two questions: what Saxon units participated in the Jena Campaign? Did the Saxons use battalion guns at Jena?

I am sure I will find my reference books sooner or later, but in the mean time I would like to get the show on the road.
Thanks, Pat

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Scroll down and you'll find the Saxon units all in Hohenlohe's Army, mostly in 2nd (Saxon) Division , but also in the Advance Guard and Reserve Divisions and the Left Flank Corps.

I salute a fellow 1806 enthusiast

Yes, they used battalion guns, as the Prussian army (exception Füsiliere und Jäger) as well.

Bear in mind that in 1806 the Saxon infantry fought in the "Kittel" a sort of over coat made in linen and overals.

I do 1806 in 15/18…AB….but my Saxons are OG.

Enfant Pardus, nsolomon99, von Winterfeldt,Dave Jackson et al.,

I appreciate the responses as I believe that now having finally located my copy of F.G. Hourtoulle's Jena-Auerstaedt well as your esteemed advice I am now in good stead.

von Winterfledt: I am deeply thankful for your observations regarding the "Kittel" that I had somehow previously overlooked in my research. The associated link didn't work,but the image you provided more that suffices as a valid focal point for painting a bit more drab of a rank and file than i might have had in mind. But a mostly authentic campaign army is what I am seeking to replicate. Perhaps I can do a 2/3 "Kittel" and 1/3 everyday dress in order to satisfy the would be artist with some color.

Dave Jackson: My entire 1806 Saxon Campaign Army will be 25mm Old Glory with many conversions; I will likewise be adding many Black Hussar Saxon Artillery pieces as well.

Many thanks to you all.

Pat Studebaker aka Jarhead

@Jarhead

Please be careful using the computer animated uniform plates in Hourtoulle, some caveats, like the Prussian musket slings, they were red – yes pure red and not brown as shown by Joineau.
Also their overals were twil, natural unbleached linen.
As for the laces on the lapels, according to Kling they should have been removed for the campaign.

Also some of the facing colours look odd, like Regiment Treuenfels – Joineau shows it brown – but it should be crimson, so far I am not aware of any brown faced Prussian regiment,

Also for Prussian cavalry saddle cloth, please us as reference those of Kling, provided on pate 16 and 17 (in my French edition) and not Joineau – sometimes wrong as for Regiment von Heising, should be white saddle cloth and not blue.

As for the Saxons, more on the Kittel you can see also in the Hourtoulle book on page 8 – left hand corner – you see them in campaign dress – the mounted officer in the Überrock, those chaps at the right, which are termed generals are in fact engeniers – Saxon generals did wear blue coats and not green ones.

As for the Kittel, it will be quite difficult to represent, it was a sort of linen coat worn over the white uniform coat to preserve it, but good luck, I applaud your effort to show the Saxon Army as it looked like in 1806 – hopefully an enterprising producer would do them like this, it would be sort of crazy – but nice.

in case on line there is very good reference on the Saxons and Prussians at Markus Stein – Uniformportal

Preußen – Plan 1806

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or several others

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also for the Saxons

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unfortunately some broken links on his side, I will get in touch with him where a lot of other very usefull stuff for 1806 he did publish.

Also please visit the ASK Brown collection – there are some wonderfull plates as by Doeppler about the Prussians and others about the Saxon army as well.

Actually one link works, this one, you will find a lot information about the Prussian Army – ok all in German – but facings etc. – not too difficult to translate, give it a try, Markus Stein did a very good synopsis.

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Please be careful using the computer animated uniform plates in Hourtoulle, some caveats, like the Prussian musket slings, they were red – yes pure red and not brown as shown by Joineau.

You might also want to add to be careful about the flags: the Hourtoulle book, lovely as it is to look at, also shows the earlier SYW versions of the flags for some regiments.

Some of the colour issues will almost certainly be a result of a difference between colours represented in RGB and CMYK and getting that right on a computer screen to show correctly in print.

What is the date of the top print? If there is a date I am unable to read it (even with my cheaters). I am curious about the wearing of the knapsack in the Prussian method rather than square on the back. I had thought that by Jena the Saxons were wearing their knapsacks on the back.

it is from 1806 – the Saxons started to wear the knapsack on the back in about 1808 – in 1809 they carried it on the back as well as crossbelts

It reads

Die von den Sächsischen Prinz Clemens Dragoner in Zeitz gemachten französischen Gefangenen werden in die Pleißenburg in Verwahrung gebracht.

The at Zeitz captured French prisoners, by the Saxon Prince Clemens Dragoons, are lead into prison at the Pleißenburg.

You can see the officer of the regiment in the red Überrock, typical Saxon cavalry officers field dress for 1806.

Ahhh! Many years (decades)ago I painted up some 1806 Saxons. The info. I had then made it look as if the Saxons were already wearing backpacks in 1806. I was using 1806 15mm Minfig Prussians (some came on 5 man strips), and I painted the knapsacks as oversized haversacks. Neat, so I can repaint their knapsacks.

'The Prusso-Saxon Army at Jena, 14th October 1806' by Peter Hofschröer may be useful.

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'The Prusso-Saxon Army at Jena, 14th October 1806' by Peter Hofschröer

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