Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jul 2020 1:30 p.m. PST |
As the Statues Fall: A Conversation about Monuments and the Power of Memory July 23 – Online: 3 p.m. Hosted by the Wenner-Gren Foundation and SAPIENS in collaboration with the Society of Black Archaeologists and the Cornell Institute of Archaeology and Material Studies. The legacy of social movements seeking to remove Confederate statues is longstanding. However, unlike in previous moments, what began as the forced removal of Confederate statues during protests has rippled to the removal of colonialist, imperialist, and enslaver monuments all over the world. In this webinar, scholars and artists share their insights on the power of monumentality and the work they are doing to reconfigure historical markers. Cost: No cost. link |
Dennis | 22 Jul 2020 2:49 p.m. PST |
"[W]hat began as the forced removal of Confederate statues during protests has rippled to the removal of colonialist, imperialist, and enslaver monuments all over the world." Sounds as if it's likely to be an unbiased and even-handed discussion of the issue. |
Old Peculiar | 22 Jul 2020 2:54 p.m. PST |
Why should it be unbiased and even handed? The status quo has glorified some pretty attrocious characters who sho have been removed decades ago. If people had got rid of them when they should then the current situation probably would not have developed. |
pzivh43 | 22 Jul 2020 3:28 p.m. PST |
Easy for you to call them "pretty atrocious characters" and discount everything they ever did. The cause they served was atrocious, but their deeds, their sacrifice, and some of their accomplishments, both before and after the war, were noteworthy and should be remembered. |
cavcrazy | 22 Jul 2020 3:39 p.m. PST |
Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it. It seems that we should learn from history, not tear it down because it offends somebody. There is a proper way to do things, and I feel rather than go through the proper procedure, some people feel they can just go with their own passion and fervor. That is unacceptable. |
lkmjbc3 | 22 Jul 2020 3:46 p.m. PST |
Why should I be interested in people that hate my past and my culture? They hate my identity. Hate has no home here. Joe Collins |
USAFpilot | 22 Jul 2020 3:53 p.m. PST |
share their insights on the power of monumentality and the work they are doing to reconfigure historical markers What sort of twisted Orwellian speech is that? They are going to "reconfigure" history, are you kidding me. No wonder it's at no cost. No one in their right mind would pay for such nonsense. |
Dn Jackson | 22 Jul 2020 4:49 p.m. PST |
Two things: 1. I'm sick of race being injected into everything. Even, apparently, archaeology. Hence 'Society of Black Archaeologists'. I guess Doctor King's dream of a society where a man is judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin, is dead. 2. This whole thing reminds me of the French Revolution. And that ended in the guillotine. link link |
Max Schnell | 22 Jul 2020 8:15 p.m. PST |
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DesertScrb | 22 Jul 2020 9:02 p.m. PST |
The cause they served was atrocious, but their deeds, their sacrifice, and some of their accomplishments, both before and after the war, were noteworthy and should be remembered. No one is saying we should not remember the deeds; it's about glorifying bad people. It's why monuments to people like Leopold II are coming down around the world. Anyone want to try to defend him? |
USAFpilot | 22 Jul 2020 9:27 p.m. PST |
Pretty much every historical figure prior to the 20th century is a "bad" person. And the 20th century saw more mass murder than any other. By your logic we need to pull down statues of Washington and Jefferson; after all they were slave owners. |
Bobgnar | 22 Jul 2020 10:51 p.m. PST |
What about the "bad" persons of the 20th century -- Woodrow Wilson exreme racist. Well, at least Princeton U is removing the Wilson name from various facilities. Wouldn't Winston Smith have a field day in the current culture rewrite. I am beginning to believe there was no "civil war" in the United States, I can see nothing to show for it. Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. This can happen if we have no past to remember. |
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART | 23 Jul 2020 7:54 a.m. PST |
I prefer books over statues. They are easier to store and the birds leave them alone. Books are much less expensive yet they usually contain some good information. This is useful in case you have a tendency to forget your past. They are more portable then your pocket lenin and Stalin pedestal jobbies and they are less likely to offend. |
Stryderg | 23 Jul 2020 10:13 a.m. PST |
And they burn much brighter, too! |
Korvessa | 23 Jul 2020 10:25 a.m. PST |
Mobocracy is a very dangerous thing. Maybe the statues are offensive – maybe they aren't. But bring about change legally and peacefully. it is better in the end. |
Wolfhag | 23 Jul 2020 5:46 p.m. PST |
I guess Doctor King's dream of a society where a man is judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin, is dead. Yes, there is no money in that. There is money in bullying people and making them feel guilty for something they didn't do. Wolfhag |
mildbill | 27 Jul 2020 11:01 a.m. PST |
history does repeat, first time as tragedy , second time as farce. |
agplumer | 28 Jul 2020 10:33 a.m. PST |
So we keep the statues up because removing the makes white people uncomfortable. They fear that their nostalgic view of the world is wrong. They fear taking an honest look at race, and yes, it is important to this nation. They fear that they are next to be stuffed into railway cars. If the problem was dealt with decades ago it could have been res loved more peacefully. Sorry statues are not history but glorification. They need to be viewed in context of historical events. Keep Confederate statutes in national and state battlefield parks, Confederate cemeteries and museums. The rest go. I for one never expected an in-depth discussion of history from a statue, that is what books are for. |
Blutarski | 17 Aug 2020 4:52 p.m. PST |
> The American Civil War. > Three constitutional amendments. > Integration of the military. > 11 percent of West Point student body is black. > US military called out to guarantee integration in the south. > Voting Rights Act. > Affirmative Action. > FBI dismantlement of the Ku Kux Klan. > A black chief justice of the US Supreme Court. > A black supreme court justice currently on the bench. > 51 out of 436 member of the House of Representatives are black. > A two-term black president. > More than one-third of America's top-100 cities governed by black mayors. > 8 percent of America's millionaires are black. > 12 percent of American police officers are black. Whites must be pretty uncomfortable …… not. B |