VinceScrim | 14 Jul 2020 8:52 a.m. PST |
Since 2017, I ended up in the emergency room on 5 different occasions after using Citadel and Warhammer brand CA Glue, before I realized that's what was causing my severe vertigo, collapsing, vomiting for several hours to a day or 2. It was horrible. I finally figured out it was the glue in 2019 and have not used them since and have been fine. Anyone else have these or similar issues? As I need to find a replacement glue for lead/pewter miniatures (flag staffs, poseable arms etc.). Using Elmers atm out of desperation and its not that good on lead. |
cavcrazy | 14 Jul 2020 9:11 a.m. PST |
That is a horrible situation to find yourself in. Glad you figured it out.I use Zap a Gap with a little bit of baking soda for holding my lead figures together. The glue and baking soda react almost instantly and hold together beautifully. |
Festerfest | 14 Jul 2020 9:35 a.m. PST |
If you are affected by all CA glues that's going to be a problem. A Two part epoxy will probably be your best option for metals but it'll be a pain to work with for small parts. |
45thdiv | 14 Jul 2020 9:35 a.m. PST |
Is it the skin contact or the fumes you breath in? You could wear a respirator and gloves if you need too. |
Frederick | 14 Jul 2020 10:00 a.m. PST |
Sounds like a fumes problem – ventilation/respirator might help Do you use the glue in a tightly enclosed space (like a basement)? |
Andrew Walters | 14 Jul 2020 10:29 a.m. PST |
I'm very sorry to hear about this, that's a pretty awful set of symptoms, to say nothing of the stress that must have accompanied not knowing what was wrong. There are odorless CA glues, but it sounds like you shouldn't risk it. I am pretty sensitive to smells, mostly fragrances. But I've never had a problem with any adhesive. |
BTCTerrainman | 14 Jul 2020 10:30 a.m. PST |
VinceScrim: I ran into similar problems, but my symptoms were a severe respiratory reaction and almost respiratory distress. It took me a long time to realize it was from CA Glues. Once I stopped using them my problems went away. I had a severe reaction from another vendor gluing near me at a show. They do not seem to like being told to stop doing it at a show (being tall I get the same incredulous response on an airplane when I tell them in advance they will not be able to put their seats down – and they always try anyways…..) I tried odorless CA glues and frankly they were junk and did not really do the job. If I need special work on figures, I pay others to do it for me. Otherwise I find epoxies work well for me, and I like Beacon 3 in 1 craft flue. I also use Aleene's Tacky Glue a lot for stuff as well as very hot hot glue for some of my needs.
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BTCTerrainman | 14 Jul 2020 10:32 a.m. PST |
Andrew: My problem became worse over time and now I do not seem to react immediately at a show if someone near me decides they must glue at a show. It is a chemical allergy or sensitivity developed from repetitive use. It had gotten bad enough that I almost sought an Epipen to have on hand at shows. |
PJ ONeill | 14 Jul 2020 11:17 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the info. I have sworn off CA glues as each exposure caused a more severe reaction. |
cavcrazy | 14 Jul 2020 11:39 a.m. PST |
Just realized that my Zap a Gap is a glue you can't use, sorry about that. There are certain fillers and putties that work the same as glue. I do hope you can find a solution. |
emckinney | 14 Jul 2020 1:59 p.m. PST |
Scuba air tank! But yeah, you need to sure that you have lots and lots of ventilation. There's a reason for the famous line in Airplane: "I guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!" |
Grelber | 14 Jul 2020 4:48 p.m. PST |
I usually do short glue sessions, and put things away if it starts to bother me. Fortunately, I don't have anywhere near as severe a reaction as you do--just feel a little uncomfortable. I think I will be even more careful in the future. Grelber |
Stryderg | 14 Jul 2020 7:40 p.m. PST |
I'm not sure how well it would work, but there's the original Gorilla Glue. Not CA based, but requires a bit of water to activate and it does expand. So not ideal, but… link |
Zephyr1 | 14 Jul 2020 9:52 p.m. PST |
" I need to find a replacement glue for lead/pewter miniatures (flag staffs, poseable arms etc.)." Aleene's Stretchable Flexible Fabric Glue (it's waterbased.) Score the surfaces with a knife before gluing (so it grabs really good.) The biggest drawback is that you'll have to somehow clamp the pieces together while it dries, but once it does, they won't come apart easily. Also dries clear & a little goes a long way… ;-) |
Uparmored | 15 Jul 2020 2:26 a.m. PST |
I love the smell of CA Glue, at anytime! Smells like… affixation! Sometimes I drink it.. |
VinceScrim | 15 Jul 2020 7:17 a.m. PST |
Thanks for all the info, I forgot to mention that not only did it give me major issues, but my wife for the first time in her life had minor vertigo/vomiting issues. It smelled up the whole house, despite AC on and nearby window open. I use Gorilla Glue for foam/insulation on my model railroad layout and the only issue with that is that it expands as it dries and leaves a yellow clump if not careful. |
Given up for good | 19 Jul 2020 8:18 a.m. PST |
Vince, I would look at the two part epoxy glues for metal to metal – 5 minute is better than the traditional ones but lacks the quick grip of the CA liquids / gels. As for the foam, you can now get a Gorilla Glue that is clear and does not foam. Oddly enough, I saw it for the first time yesterday. The other thing I use is the ‘No Nails' style of tube glue – sticks well in an hour or so and solid after a day. It suffers from the PVA like issue of the inside being wet due to the lack of air but sets much faster than wood or PVA glue. |
VinceScrim | 24 Jul 2020 7:19 a.m. PST |
Well guess what happened on Tuesday? I opened a box that I had not opened in a long time containing some flexible plastic wargaming terrain pieces: A trench, river with banks, roads. They seeem to be made of something similar to those old toys from teh 60s and 70's i.e., fake snakes and spiders etc. They gave off a horrible chemical plastic odor when I opened the box and as I handled them about 15 minutes later the room began to spin and I spend the next 24 hours in bed unable to move. I took an anti-vertigo drug and anti-nausea pill. 4 doses of each later I was finally able to become normal again yesterday evening and promptly threw those plastic terrain pieces in the trash. This seems like some sort of chemical reaction to glues and other substances. The room was spinning so fast, and my only relief was to screw my eyest to the left to make the spinning stop, then close them and lay on my right side without moving for a day and a half. Sheer torture! |