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Tango0109 Jul 2020 12:48 p.m. PST

" The M4 Sherman, formally Medium Tank, M4, was the primary battle tank, used by the United States and the other Western Allies in World War II, and proved to be a reliable and highly mobile workhorse, despite being outmatched by heavier German tanks late in the war. Thousands were distributed to the Allies, including the British Commonwealth and the Soviet Union, via lend-lease. The M4 was the second most produced tank of the World War II era, after the Soviet T-34, and its performance and role in its parent nation's victory was comparable to that of the T-34. It has been the general conception that in the United Kingdom, the M4 was named after Union General William Tecumseh Sherman, following the British practice of naming their American-built tanks after famous American Civil War generals, and that subsequently the British name found its way into common use in the U.S…"

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Armand

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jul 2020 12:48 p.m. PST

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Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jul 2020 12:50 p.m. PST

Damn it, you Bugged me.

Tango0109 Jul 2020 1:12 p.m. PST

NO!… YOU bugged me!…. (smile)


Ah!… DA BUG… DA BUG… never rest…(smile)


Amicalement
Armand

Mad Guru09 Jul 2020 9:43 p.m. PST

Never thought I'd see you two BUGGING OUT!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Jul 2020 2:07 a.m. PST

Well done again. That link is a great find for "Sherman subtypes at a glance". Very useful on evolution of the M4 and well illustrated.

There follows a great bit if "kit-bashing" but in 1/35 scale of course. Imagine the guts it took to saw out the loader's hatch for a "transplant".

Thanks Tango. Shame about the BUG and I hope it does not deter

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP10 Jul 2020 8:51 a.m. PST

The best thing about the M4 series of AFVs, besides reliability and ease of repair/maint., was their numbers.

Tango0110 Jul 2020 12:22 p.m. PST

Happy you like it my good friend! (smile)


Amicalement
Armand

von Schwartz10 Jul 2020 4:58 p.m. PST

Why does an, apparently, late war model Sherman with Horizontal volute suspension have a early war model 75MM and not a 76MM?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2020 9:13 a.m. PST

If I recall there were about 5-6 major versions of the M4. That may not have been one of them. Again one of their strengths were their great numbers. And many did not have the 76mm at that time.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2020 10:34 a.m. PST

Why does an, apparently, late war model Sherman with Horizontal volute suspension have a early war model 75MM and not a 76MM?

If you read the article, it is all explained. The short answer is: because some of the "customers" for the M4 series, namely the USMC and the British, specifically requested tanks armed with the 75mm, preferring it to the 76mm.

The USMC strongly preferred the 75mm because it was a more useful gun in the Pacific theater. It had a better HE round, carried more ammo, and could be loaded and fired faster. As the 75mm was more than adequate for use against any Japanese tank, and Japanese bunkers were generally constructed of logs (not re-enforced concrete), the 76mm held exactly no advantage for them.

The Brits preferred the 75mm because they anticipated converting some substantial portion to Fireflies, and the conversions were all based on the standard Sherman turrets, not the T23 turrets used in 76mm Shermans.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2020 10:40 a.m. PST

If I recall there were about 5-6 major versions of the M4. That may not have been one of them.

The 76mm gun was the dominant production version of the M4A3 HVSS tank production. The 75mm gun was a minor share, as highlighted in the article. That's what makes the tank interesting … the head-scratching question of why "Easy-8s" would be built with the 75?

And many did not have the 76mm at that time.

By the end of 1943 / beginning of 1944, ALL new Sherman production (except for assault guns) was shifted to 76mm guns. But that only lasted briefly, as there was continuing demand for the 75mm, and so more contracts for more 75mm armed Shermans were released in early 1944.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Tango0111 Jul 2020 12:42 p.m. PST

Thanks!.


Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2020 3:33 p.m. PST

Thanks for that intel Mark. Some I do remember now … some is new to me. Always more stuff to learn!

von Schwartz11 Jul 2020 7:35 p.m. PST

Well, my study of WW II weapons and equipment has been neglected for many years. Afraid I haven't been keeping up with my reading. Thanks for the education.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2020 7:14 a.m. PST

For those interested the following are the production numbers for HVSS Shermans
6,080 were 76mm
538 were 75mm
3,380 were 105mm

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2020 8:21 a.m. PST

Good intel again Mark !

But yes, it was known e.g. like in the PTO that the M4 w/75mm was very effective vs. any IFJ's armor and entrenchments. The IJF's armor was not very effective vs. the Allied armor [or much of anything else !]. IIRC there very, very few tank v. tank engagements in the PTO or even CBI. Maybe 2 or 3 ?

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