Blutarski | 07 Jul 2020 7:24 a.m. PST |
Monument to well known slave owner Frederick Douglass toppled in Rochester NY on the evening of July 4th. OOPS! – Douglass was no slave owner. He was an escaped slave who rose to become one of the great abolitionist voices in American history. I wonder why he too had to go ………. B |
skipper John | 07 Jul 2020 7:56 a.m. PST |
What board game was it where destroying another nations Monuments gained you advantage… I remember playing it years ago but, not the name. Tearing down these statues has nothing to do with the particular statue. It is history that they want torn down. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 07 Jul 2020 8:41 a.m. PST |
Unlike the other statues recently, this one wasn't toppled by a mob in a public event. Could have been simple vandalism. |
pzivh43 | 07 Jul 2020 8:55 a.m. PST |
Which is what a mob does in a public event! |
Pan Marek | 07 Jul 2020 9:38 a.m. PST |
Did it ever occur to anyone that it may have been a tit for tat act by right wing people? |
Au pas de Charge | 07 Jul 2020 9:48 a.m. PST |
@Pan Marek No, it hasnt because . Keep dismissing these protests as fringe events and it will backfire… Bigly. This also has nothing to do with the true issue of removing confederate monuments as a symbol of continued confederate defiance. As if the morons that erected those statues were experts on those generals' battle strategies. Gimme a break. here we go: Considering , this should serve as a form of intellectual sorbet. link And, yes, I know it's not quite as threatening to the Constitution as toppling a statue in a city no one cares about but here's a little snippet on White nationalism: link |
Stryderg | 07 Jul 2020 10:34 a.m. PST |
This isn't about right/left wing extremists, it's about law abiding people and those who want to do their own thing. The lawful protesters, those showing up during the day and chanting chants and signing signs, good for them! The unlawful mobs, the one's burning businesses and destroying statues, couldn't care less about black lives, police lives, or your lives. And if our leaders don't stop encouraging them and start trying to stop them, they'll end up lining you up against a wall with everyone else. My 2 cents, and worth every penny you paid for it. |
Bede19002 | 07 Jul 2020 10:57 a.m. PST |
Public property shouldn't be destroyed by vandals, protesters, mobs, whatever you want to call them. If they want a statue gone there are ways within the system to make that happen. But that requires hard work and perseverance. Much easier to just destroy. And when the government lacks the courage to enforce the law, why not? We are witnessing the beginning of the end for America. Guess it had to happen at school me point. |
robert piepenbrink | 07 Jul 2020 12:02 p.m. PST |
Nonsense, Bede. When you know you're right, you don't need all those pesky legal procedures: you just need some like-minded friends with a rope. There used to be a word for that sort of thing. MiniPigs, you'd care to explain how "the true issue of removing Confederate monuments" includes Columbus, Grant, TR, Lincoln, Hans Christian Heg, Matthias Baldwin and "Forward?" That's just off hand. I don't believe William of Occam would approve of postulating a different mob for the Frederick Douglass statue. The known one seems indiscriminating enough. |
Thresher01 | 07 Jul 2020 1:09 p.m. PST |
Actually, most of this is about Militant Marxists emboldened and on the move and the attack. Then, of course, there's the whole anarchists/arsonists angle too. The lawlessness needs to be stopped, AND should have been a very long time ago. Break the law, go to prison. We are in the "Pre-Post-Apocalyptic Era" (Copyright 2020), though from some photos I've seen of various cities, they've skipped the "Pre" part altogether, since downtown looks like various cities in Syria after the bombings there. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 07 Jul 2020 1:47 p.m. PST |
Did it ever occur to anyone that it may have been a tit for tat act by right wing people? Might be. Too early to tell. |
mjkerner | 07 Jul 2020 1:47 p.m. PST |
robert piepenbrink….always on the money! I walked past Heg's statute every work day for decades. He was quite the guy. The idiots should be hogged tied, tarred, feathered, and run outta town. But hey, BLM, its motives and its composition can't be questioned or, you know, you're a racist. Right, MiniPigs? |
Thresher01 | 07 Jul 2020 2:59 p.m. PST |
Actually, they can AND should be openly questioned and mocked vigorously, since one of their leaders, if not THE leader has openly professed on TV to being a "trained Marxist". |
USAFpilot | 09 Jul 2020 9:13 p.m. PST |
OOPS! – Douglass was no slave owner. He was an escaped slave who rose to become one of the great abolitionist voices in American history. I wonder why he too had to go ………. Be careful. History is slowly be rewritten in the latest fashion. Everything from the past has to go so we can make way for the glorious future of new and improved history. You will shortly be assigned for re-education. Thank you, have a nice day. |
138SquadronRAF | 10 Jul 2020 6:45 a.m. PST |
Actually, they can AND should be openly questioned and mocked vigorously, since one of their leaders, if not THE leader has openly professed on TV to being a "trained Marxist". Oooh scary! Oogie Bogie! |
Col Durnford | 10 Jul 2020 9:51 a.m. PST |
In a better world calling yourself a trained Marxist would be treated with the same respect as calling yourself a dedicated Nazi. Different sides of the same coin. |
Durrati | 11 Jul 2020 12:50 p.m. PST |
Interesting. What is the name of 'THE' leader that made the statement and what organisation is he the leader of? Which TV programme did he make this statement on? Would be interesting to see. |
McLaddie | 11 Jul 2020 1:26 p.m. PST |
Trying to explain taking down, vandalizing and destroying statues with 'one' explanation is rather like trying to link the wall mural of George Floyd in Minneapolis with the paint thrown at the state of George Washington in Virgina. A wide variety of actors with a wide variety of motivations. One reason I have read for the distruction of statues like Frederick Douglas and Abolitionists was that the police were protecting what had been the targets. The vandals simply attacked those statues that most didn't think were in danger… "O look, a statue, let's tear it down…" I agree that the vandals should be arrested and that the distruction of property can't be allowed. Tearing down these statues has nothing to do with the particular statue. It is history that they want torn down. I seriously doubt they thought that deeply about the future impact of their actions. I've heard alot about tearing down statues is an effort to erase history. But how does that work? I mean, we can go to Berlin where statues and pictures of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and othe Communist leaders were torn down. Does that mean if I go to Berlin and ask them About Hitler, Stalin and Lenin, they will go "Who?" Or the Berlin Wall, it was torn down thirty years ago. Completely erased. Have Berliners forgotten the Wall and what it meant? When all the statues of R.E. Lee are taken down, will his place in history suddenly disappear? I wish that were the case with the Nazis and Hitler, but no amount of statue toppling or vandalism is going to erase that history. The same is true of Marxism--or Marse Robert for that matter. I think there is far too much hyperbole around these issues, confusing the heck out of any coherent discussion of them… which is what some folks want to see happen. |
Blutarski | 12 Jul 2020 4:59 a.m. PST |
"I seriously doubt they thought that deeply about the future impact of their actions." More contorted sophistry. - – - "I've heard alot about tearing down statues is an effort to erase history. But how does that work? " Translation: because the perpetrators, organizers and financiers of the current orchestrated street chaos taking place in our nation have not issued daily press releases explaining their actions and intentions, this persistent nationwide assault upon the nation's cultural heritage (and it is NOT just about statues, ladies and gentlemen) is just a matter of sheer coincidence. B
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McLaddie | 12 Jul 2020 7:41 a.m. PST |
Translation: because the perpetrators, organizers and financiers of the current orchestrated street chaos taking place in our nation have not issued daily press releases explaining their actions and intentions, this persistent nationwide assault upon the nation's cultural heritage (and it is NOT just about statues, ladies and gentlemen) is just a matter of sheer coincidence. Translation of the Translation: Those who painted the Floyd mural in Minneapolis and those who threw paint on the statue of George Washington in Virginia ARE one-in-the-same-group with the same motivations--It is one huge, financed, orchestrated conspiracy across our nation. OR the ONLY other possible explanation for these events is 'sheer coincidence.' Yes, either/or explanations are so much simpler and easier to understand than reality. …this persistent nationwide assault upon the nation's cultural heritage. Which cultural heritage is that? Slavery, the Confederacy, civil rights? What you are referencing is difficult to separate out among the various conflicting, confusing events and 'heritages' being attacked and defended. Which ones have been 'persistently assaulted' for how long? You know those things that Americans cherish as 'our heritage'? A lot of things have been 'assaulted' in one way or another [From protesters to police to Washington's statue etc. etc. etc.] Which do you see as vital to our American identity, who we are as a nation? |
Durrati | 12 Jul 2020 5:21 p.m. PST |
The reason I am interested in knowing more about this unnamed leader of an unidentified organisation who claimed to be a 'trained Marxist' is to know what he actually claimed to be trained in. Was it in using the materialistic dialectic in the study of history? Or maybe he is claiming to be a trained export on how workers are alienated from the product of their labour? Or did he just claim to be an expert on 'Marxism' in general? Or maybe his training wasn't in Marxism per se but his training was in more practical matters. Perhaps he was claiming he went to Marxist school to complete an extended course in statue pulling downness? Pleas let me know what TV programme it was on as I would love to see if I can see it on that channels website or you tube. |