"Civil War monument at Colorado Capitol toppled overnight" Topic

Monument to Colorado's Union Units in the Civil War was torn down last night by Vandals.

That sure accomplished a lot. I guess the point is just to destroy history and monuments.

Local government could stop it. They need to be voted out.

Colorado's Union Units in the Civil War

Union units???

Yes – Union units. Colorado wasn't a state, but a territory during the ACW. The Colorado volunteer units were critical in turning back the Confederate "invasion" coming north up through New Mexico.

It doesn't seem to matter who or what the statues and monuments are of, they are targets for vandalism and destruction.

The failure to teach american history in our modern school system. At this stage they just dont care.

Come on guys, it's all good. These peaceful protesters just need a safe space to express their rage against our tyrannical government. If you would just watch CNN (Clown News Network) then you would understand.

Defund the police! Send in the social workers.

Hopefully the press will help explain to the masses that this was a monument to men who were fighting to end slavery?

extremes of both ends of the spectrum can be bad…

I believe it was because the plaque on the statue – which is a Civil War infantryman – mentions the Sand Creek massacre

That being said, this has already been debated in Colorado and some descendants of the Sand Creek victims wanted it left on

It must be accomplishing something or BOTH political parties would be condemning it, instead of just the one.

I'll be honest, I went to several anti-war demonstrations in the early 70's. Shouted and marched right along with the rest of them too. But, I was not against the war or the draft. It was simply something fun to do! Everybody was there. We had a blast! Girls! Lots of girls! I never paid any attention to the speakers. I don't think anyone did….. except the press.

Could that be what's happening now? I wonder.

It is not a monument to just the 1st Colorado cavalry but was sculpted by a member of that unit.

Link to what is on the pedestal plaques

link

Don't confuse ignorance or stupidity with malice. Idiots, a small minority, enjoy destroying things.

How many of the protesters do you think are even aware that there was a Civil War? If aware, how many could get the date correct within 50 years?

Monument to Colorado's Union Units in the Civil War was torn down last night by Vandals.

That sure accomplished a lot. I guess the point is just to destroy history and monuments.

I seriously doubt that that any *thought* ever went deep enough to see themselves as destroying history. They are vandals. The point was having fun destroying, just like spray-painting murals and breaking school building windows.

Local government could stop it. They need to be voted out.

I think you're right.

It was Chivington's Colorado volunteers who perpetrated the Sand Creek massacre.

The communists are removing all of our history good and bad so they can replace it with their own.

BLM was founded by Marxists. This is an assault on Western Civilization. That's why they vandalized a memorial to a Black Union Army unit from the ACW, burned and vandalized multiple churches, tore down religious statues, have called for removal or actually vandalized statues of President Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and vandalized Holocaust Memorials.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

The 1st Colorado Cavalry (a 90 day Militia unit ) was the the troops at Sand creek. That is noted on the Monument and the later plaque. The other 4 units served with distinction during the war.

Are they looking for another civil war purhaps?

@Irish marine and Bunkermeister, I see a lot of parallels with the Russian Revolution happening now. Invest in silver and lead.

MEANWHILE, in the latest "Statue Toppling Sweepstakes Update", the Rocky Balboa statue in Philadelphia has been knocked down.

Must be "vandals" and "hooligans" again. There could not possibly be any chance of a premeditated national campaign on the part of any lefty organization.

B

Some of you screw your hats on too tight.

This is the election , what you cant win at the ballot box, you win in the streets.

I see no end in sight with this nonsense. Most just want to tear stuff down for the sake of destroying sh*t.

Unfortunately I think 7th Va Cavalry is completely correct.

For some reason the whole business reminds me of the final line in 'Bridge on the River Kwai':
"Madness…..Madness."

Go out with a crane and disassemble all the monuments, one at a time. Epoxy the pedestals back down and bolt the statues to the pedestals.

When the demonstrators figure out how to rent a bulldozer, then we can start worrying again.

If a municipal official fails to protect public property, deduct the cost of repairs from the official's pension. That should bring things to a screeching halt.

But before that, could a few DC art lovers please deposit the abstracts in front of the Smithsonian in the Potomac? Then at least some good will have come of the whole thing.

BLM was founded by Marxists.

…a premeditated national campaign on the part of any lefty organization.

The communists are removing all of our history good and bad so they can replace it with their own.

Communists, Marxists and lefties, Oh My!

Oh, the nostalgia for the 1950s is coming back. Where is McCarthy when you need him?

Thanks, McLaddie, for the laugh (smile).

"But before that, could a few DC art lovers please deposit the abstracts in front of the Smithsonian in the Potomac? Then at least some good will have come of the whole thing." You got my vote.

Jesus the outrageous amount of Alt-Right stupidity, and bigotry on display in these postings is astounding, and some of the comments are blatantly racist in nature, Bunkermeister better bite on his cyanide capsule before the citadel falls!

+1 Old Peculiar

McLaddie wrote -
"Communists, Marxists and lefties, Oh My!
Oh, the nostalgia for the 1950s is coming back. Where is McCarthy when you need him?"

Go to Google.
Search under "BLM Trained Marxists".
You are an educator, as I understand it. Let us know what you find.

As an educator, have you ever familiarized yourself with the works of Gramsci, Derreda, Marcuse, Alinsky, Cloward-Pivens?

Are you aware of the Mitrokhin archive?

B

which " Rocky Balboa statue in Philadelphia" has been knocked down.

Part of the problem is the failed education system in this country. For decades students have been taught by socialist teachers. There is an entire generation who doesn't know our history. Why would people deface statues of Union soldiers and abolitionists who fought to end slavery?

Search under "BLM Trained Marxists".
You are an educator, as I understand it. Let us know what you find.

Ah, yes, the Breitbart News bubble. I am aware of it. Go to Epoch News, as far right media goes, they are a little more journalistic.

Part of the problem is the failed education system in this country. For decades students have been taught by socialist teachers. There is an entire generation who doesn't know our history.

Actually, the problems isn't anywhere as simplistic, as well as inaccurate as this conclusion.

I was a teacher for 15 years in the public schools, a president of two teacher associations, a teacher trainer for another 20, having worked in 22 states. I've seen a lot of education.

There are more Christians in the Public School systems, even in California than the general population.

Unless you believe that public education is a form of socialism, teachers are no more 'socialistic' as a group than those on this forum.

IF you do believe that public education is a form of socialism, then it is understandable that requests for more social programs and call for recognition of social problems that they live with every day, then I can see how you would come to that conclusion.

which " Rocky Balboa statue in Philadelphia" has been knocked down.

I am thrilled to learn that Rocky survives! So far.
Cool.

B

Well, my semantics suffered with the last post. I didn't want to be late for a conference call.

I think that the quest for a 'single reason' for what is going on only adds to the problems rather than clarifies them, whether marxists or socialists or Boogaloos and white nationalists. Though they ALL love it when they are made the ones leading these events.

There are any number of bad actors running about, for any number of reasons, but no where near all of the protesters or the major reasons for those protests.

It requires work to understand the complex reasons, but really, really necessary for meaningful responses.

McLaddie,

Apparently you missed the top Google result from the NY Post. As of 2pm today (Eastern time) it is still the number one return on Google for a "BLM trained Marxists" web search

In case even THAT doesn't satisfy you, here is the video for your viewing pleasure –
YouTube link

B

See the carefully worded TV news interview, where the BLM spokesperson intoned the if they were not given what they want, they will burn it all down (but of course leaving the viewer to decide whether the threat is presented "literally or figuratively".

LOL.

Translation: "get on your knees or we will break your arm. Of course, we might just be speaking figuratively; we'll let you think about it.

Gramsci, Derreda, Marcuse, Alinsky, Cloward-Pivens, Mitrokhin: check them out.

Read "Destructive Generation" by David Horowitz.

Check out the history of the "Weathermen". Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn led the Weathermen. I lived through the murder and mayhem. Bill is now an "elementary education theorist" and Barack's good friend; Bernardine is today a law professor; she and Michelle are good buddies too.

November is not just another run of the mill four year election. Vote carefully.

B

I say, in some way, Marxist)
Black racism – no better than white racism.

These people do not advocate for equal rights, for improving working conditions and quality of life for all. These people want undeserved privileges and undeserved benefits. Marxists are not fighting for privileges for the elect, but for equal opportunities for everyone – despite past historical grievances, skin color, or fullness of wallet.
I don't know how many Marxists are among your protesters, but what they are seeking does not look like equality. Equal – do not put on your knees)

Apparently you missed the top Google result from the NY Post. As of 2pm today (Eastern time) it is still the number one return on Google for a "BLM trained Marxists" web search.

B: Nope, that was the first result when I used your link.

In case even THAT doesn't satisfy you, here is the video for your viewing pleasure –
YouTube link

It did satisfy me. I listened to the whole video, not just the part you had linked. I also went and looked at

blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe

link and

BLM_HealingAction
PDF link

Patrisse Cullors was saying that she and her co-founder were not only trained in Marxist organization skills but also "studied many ideologies", if they wanted to establish Marxist ideology and goals for BLM, then I would think we would see them in the belief and 'healing' manisfestos--particularly when Patrisse is so open about her 'training.' You don't.

You do hear her say:

1. She and her co-founder don't identify with the older ideologies that some try to link them to and she states:

2. "We don't want to be the vangaard of this movement."

As it says at in Active_Solidarity_Centering_the_Demands_and_Vision_of_the_Black_Lives_Matter_Movement

url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322034690_Active_Solidarity_Centering_the_Demands_and_Vision_of_the_Black_Lives_Matter_Movement_in_Teacher_Education]link

The Movement for Black Lives is a coalition of over 50 organizations, of which the Black Lives Matter Network is one member. More often than not, however, BLM is used as an umbrella term with which many concerned with justice for Black people globally identify, regardless of any formal connection to the specific organization or coalition. As scholar Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor explains, " . . . there is a BLM ‘mood' that exists and it expresses itself in the demonstrations against police brutality or murder where the main slogan is ‘Black Lives Matter.'"

They are very up front about their goals and chosen methods for achieving them. They don't match Marxist ideology or methods other than a not surprising similar effort to organize.

These people do not advocate for equal rights, for improving working conditions and quality of life for all. These people want undeserved privileges and undeserved benefits…but what they are seeking does not look like equality. .

Again, have you read the BLM 'what we believe' or 'Healing'document? Anything that suggests your take on 'what they want?' Peace, equality, improved working conditions and quality of life for all is practically a quote of their goals.

But of course, 'they' don't mean it the way you do.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with them and their 'radical left' leanings, but at least be aware of what THEY say they want and the peaceful methods THEY promote.

Of course, you can also watch the organization's actions over time.

Or you can simply believe all the BLM leaders are lying and conspiring to carry out a Marxist overthow of our entire government and social structure--which is the original 1840s to 1930s Marxist ideology--with or without the other 49 members of the Coalition.

What I find annoying is not that folks would disagree with the BLM movement's goals or methods, but that the actual complaints voiced repeatedly and what the BLM organizations see as the solutions don't match the all the descriptions of 'what they want' and completely ignore what for them are the inciting incidents for their complaints.

How about saying what YOU want and let them speak for themselves.

McLaddie:
Read Gramsci, Derreda, Marcuse, Alinsky, Cloward-Pivens,
Read the Mitrokhin Archive.
Read "Destructive Generation" by David Horowitz.

… although I very much doubt you will bother.

B

cuprum2 wrote -
"I say, in some way, Marxist)
Black racism – no better than white racism.

These people do not advocate for equal rights, for improving working conditions and quality of life for all. These people want undeserved privileges and undeserved benefits. Marxists are not fighting for privileges for the elect, but for equal opportunities for everyone – despite past historical grievances, skin color, or fullness of wallet.
I don't know how many Marxists are among your protesters, but what they are seeking does not look like equality. Equal – do not put on your knees)"

Could not agree more, sir.

B

McLaddie:
Read Gramsci, Derreda, Marcuse, Alinsky, Cloward-Pivens,
Read the Mitrokhin Archive.
Read "Destructive Generation" by David Horowitz.

… although I very much doubt you will bother.

B:

And I doubt that 1. you read the BLM 'what we believe' or 2. Will believe that I have read "Derreda, Marcuse, Alinsky, , and Horowitz as well as know about the Cloward-Pivens strategy.

Calling up writers from the 1960s and 1970s, two to three generations ago to explain today's BLM actions rather than listen to what they say they want and are doing, makes little sense.

It is clear that Patrisse Cullors was describing the approach that Alinsky avocated: Use symbol construction and nonviolent conflict to create a structured organization with a clearly defined goal that could take direct action against a common enemy. At this point, the leaders would withdraw from the organization to allow their progress to be powered by the community itself.

Derreda wrote about what he called desconstruction: the intention of exposing biases, flaws, or inconsistencies and deconstruct the myths of both the left and the right.

There are a lot of myths being pushed here that have little to do with the current players or their goals--and any overlaps seem to be ignored.

These people do not advocate for equal rights, for improving working conditions and quality of life for all.

This is from BLM 'what we believe":

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

What is happening is that specific statements are being taken out of context and used prove things that are not in evidence. As an example, This comment:

These people want undeserved privileges and undeserved benefits.

I can bring up the very same comments made on White Nationalist websites, the really violent ones who want a Civil War like their ancestors had with lynchings along the way.

I would be very wrong to assume that you, Blutarski, are a rabid White Nationalist because of that.

You are wrong to assume the very same kind of thing with the BLM movement because of the word 'Marxist' or the writings of 1960's radicals.

There are some very bad actors abroad today, and they can be recoqnized by wanton distruction, chaos and violence.

And to create more chaos, they claim to do it 'in the name of' any number of causes, complaints and beliefs that they are justified, or just 'cause. That includes some of the left and right, blacks and the police.

The worst thing we can do is start labeling 'we' and 'they', lumping all those we don't agree with into one 'bad actor tribe', regardless.

It certainly is simpler, but it is also distructive to any real communication. Listening is required to get past that.

As a start to real communication, what do you see as

undeserved privileges and undeserved benefits 'these people' want?