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Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 9:58 a.m. PST

racists and bigots:

YouTube link

Other than that, is a PR disclaimer that the grimdark, xenophobic and religiously intolerant Imperium "is not a reflection of who we (the nice folks at GW) are or how we feel the real world should be" really necessary?

Would you think that GW is run by a bunch of racist bigots had they not posted this disclaimer? Or are current events making companies scramble in panic to make such statements?

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 10:03 a.m. PST

Warhammer….the universe that only has White and Asian people in the future..


That one?

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 10:06 a.m. PST

All my unhelmeted space marines and guardsmen are painted as white folks. Will I no longer be missed?

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 10:08 a.m. PST

Barf.

TodCreasey12 Jun 2020 11:38 a.m. PST

I recall the lore for Dark Angels had them as First Nations (indigenous Americans)

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian12 Jun 2020 11:42 a.m. PST

Warhammer….the universe that only has White and Asian people in the future…

I don't recall the fantasy world being particularly diverse, either.

And why are all Space Marines male! If you can genetically modify a man to be a superwarrior, why not a woman?

Prince Rupert of the Rhine12 Jun 2020 11:56 a.m. PST

Bill@ do you not remember the mid 80s pygmies of Lustria miniatures complete with over the top African features?

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 12:29 p.m. PST

They haven't missed me for the past 5yrs+ so I can't imagine they will miss me now.

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 1:25 p.m. PST

And why are all Space Marines male! If you can genetically modify a man to be a superwarrior, why not a woman?

Because power-armored female badasses (though not genetically enhanced like space marines) are called "Sisters of Battle" or Adepta Sororitas. They have their own separate army.

The Sisters of Battle are highly devout and militant "nuns with guns" who have no tolerance for heretics (i.e. those who do not worship the Emperor or possess enough faith) and alien diversity. Their singular purpose is to cleanse and purge them with the flames of righteousness.

So closed-minded, I mean "pure" are the sisters that they even consider many space marines to be deviant, not conforming closely enough by their standards to the dictates of faith to the Emperor of Mankind.

OMG, some of the Sisters Repentia (sisters in penitence for falling short of devotion and faith) are diverse! But they are overseen by a mistress who whips them into a battle frenzy. Maybe not such a good idea. Seen 'Roots' anyone? Well, at least she's an equal opportunity whipper.

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MajorB12 Jun 2020 1:34 p.m. PST

All lives matter. To say anything else is discrimination.

Stryderg12 Jun 2020 1:40 p.m. PST

Except for the ones that are down range of my d6's!!!
or maybe, d6's of DOOM!!!
Yeah, that sounds way cooler.

kevin smoot12 Jun 2020 1:43 p.m. PST

The 40K universe has always been a parody and was never meant to be taken seriously

also, I've painted several Space Marines and IG troops in darker flesh tones to make my units more realistic. If you're painting all your troops white, that's on you

Stryderg12 Jun 2020 1:45 p.m. PST

So they want to build bonds of friendship that crosses divides, but also want to build a community united by common values, not crossing divides. I don't get it.

They won't accept any form of prejudice, except that they are prejudiced against folks who don't feel the same way as them. I don't get it.

Guess I'm going to go play some games with my toy soldiers now.

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 1:54 p.m. PST

All lives matter. To say anything else is discrimination.

The BLM movement never argued otherwise. And yet they tend to be the ones beaten by clubs (Rodney King), getting shot (Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor) and asphyxiated (George Floyd) by police kneeling on their necks for nearly 9 minutes. And the year isn't even half over.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 3:12 p.m. PST

Me

Redcurrant12 Jun 2020 4:28 p.m. PST

Watched the video – what a load of testicles.

They just want to be seen as 'right-on'

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 5:29 p.m. PST

"All lives matter. To say anything else is discrimination.

The BLM movement never argued otherwise.

Really?
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Mr Elmo12 Jun 2020 6:04 p.m. PST

Suffer not the unclean to live.

" You ask why we must cleanse the xenos. I will tell you. The filth of the alien and the witch must be exterminated to preserve the purity of the Human race, lest we degenerate into abomination."

Here come….here come….the woke Marines.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 6:42 p.m. PST

"here come….the woke Marines"

I think you're forgetting about the OG "Rainbow Warriors" my friend:

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Syrinx012 Jun 2020 6:53 p.m. PST

I think the only unit of marines I ever painted had almost no skin showing. Who knows what lurks beneath those helmets?

My IG Catachan forces had 6 skin tones – I bought the paint might as well use it. My Praetorian force was pale white. I liked the contrast between the two forces and thought it added an element of "realism" to the look on the table.

My Skaven rats varied fur color by regiment with the clan rats having multiple shades. Of course, that army had slave units, weapons that killed the units using them and worshiped chaos – not much for celebrating life in any form.

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 6:59 p.m. PST

@Dn Jackson

And yet you just substantiated that very point re BLM with the bottom link you provided, from which I quote:

It's a common conversation these days: One person says, "Black lives matter." Then another responds, "No, all lives matter."

It's also a complete misunderstanding of what the phrase "black lives matter" means. The person on the receiving end interprets the phrase as "black lives matter more than any other lives."

But the point of Black Lives Matter isn't to suggest that black lives should be or are more important than all other lives. Instead, it's simply pointing out that black people's lives are relatively undervalued in the US — and more likely to be ended by police — and the country needs to recognize that inequity to bring an end to it.

If black lives mattered as much as all the other lives then we wouldn't be having this national conversation now, would we?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian12 Jun 2020 7:26 p.m. PST

…the country needs to recognize that inequity to bring an end to it…

Recognizing an inequity does not bring an end to it. That would require understanding the reason behind the inequity in the first place. It is also fundamentally a moral issue, not a political issue.

lkmjbc312 Jun 2020 8:19 p.m. PST

Call me jaded…but all this seems empty virtue signaling. I recall a story about a man standing on a street corner praying out loud.

That of course from a book long outdated. We are so much wiser now.

Joe Collins

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 8:20 p.m. PST

Recognizing an inequity does not bring an end to it. That would require understanding the reason behind the inequity in the first place.

Yes, but it's a necessary first step towards addressing the inequity and coming up with concrete solutions to put an end to the systemic problem of blacks dying at the hands (or knees) of police.

It is also fundamentally a moral issue, not a political issue.

It's both. The moral problem has to be addressed politically, which is why we're hearing calls for disbanding/defunding the police and rebuilding/reinventing them from the ground up.

I don't agree with everything BLM demands, such as its position on military bases named after revered CSA generals and removing monuments because these issues have no bearing on what happens in the future, but the way they're treated by the police here and now has to stop.

Okay, we now return to our regularly scheduled miniature gaming.

RudyNelson12 Jun 2020 9:20 p.m. PST

So what do you think s going to happen when BLM protesters try to remove a privately owned statue on private land including a cemetery? There are a lot more CSA sites including grave markers on private land than a few in city parks.

All most members of the BLM members want is to be paid reparations for their great great great grand parents being slaves.

lkmjbc312 Jun 2020 9:30 p.m. PST

I know what will happen. Sadly, another 28 people will be murdered that weekend in Chicago. But on the bright side a whole lot of other people will feel morally superior over others with different views.

At least there is that.

Joe Collins

ninthdoc12 Jun 2020 11:03 p.m. PST

You can't legislate morality.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2020 11:17 p.m. PST

To piggyback on Ninthdoc's comment, you can't do away with racism or prejudice anymore than you can do away with war.

If we could, we would have done it by now. It's as ingrained in our DNA as violence is.

All you can do is recognize where those faults exist in yourself and try to combat them as best you can. You can try to "illuminate" other people but in my experience most people don't feel they need to be illuminated.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 3:58 a.m. PST

Fanatik, explain to me again why screaming at the top of one's lungs and silencing anyone who asks questions is a "conversation?"

gunnerphil13 Jun 2020 4:21 a.m. PST

Not sure how they intend to stop racists and bigots playing. Will they have a questionnaire at the door which you must complete before being allowed in? If found to be a racists will you have to return all the stuff you have bought?

Personal logo Cardinal Ximenez Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 6:34 a.m. PST

@Fanatik
"And yet they tend to be the ones beaten by clubs (Rodney King), getting shot (Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor) and asphyxiated (George Floyd) by police kneeling on their necks for nearly 9 minutes. And the year isn't even half over."

And yet you fail to mention the 7407 African Americans murdered in 2018 as well the names of David Dorn and Patrick Underwood.

Meaningful conversations start with intellectual honesty. Black lives do indeed matter. Every one of them not just those selected for political expediency.

SPQRatae13 Jun 2020 7:19 a.m. PST

"And yet you fail to mention the 7407 African Americans murdered in 2018 "
How many of them were killed by African Americans?

arthur181513 Jun 2020 8:10 a.m. PST

…except for people who prefer to buy more reasonably priced fantasy figures and cheaper, more playable rules from other manufacturers and publishers. 'Simples!' as the meerkat would say.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian13 Jun 2020 8:52 a.m. PST

The moral problem has to be addressed politically…

Laws can't change men's hearts. That's what religion is for.

CptSlowhand13 Jun 2020 9:58 a.m. PST

Hey Moderator, can we move this to the Vitriolic Political Discussion page?

Stryderg13 Jun 2020 10:28 a.m. PST

"And yet you fail to mention the 7407 African Americans murdered in 2018 "
How many of them were killed by African Americans?

Over 6,000, if memory serves.

Laws can't change men's hearts. That's what religion is for.

I think that's the fundamental divide between political parties today. One side thinks people are basically goo and just want to get along, while the other believes people are basically flawed and broken.

On a completely unrelated matter, I rolled 2x 6's, BOOYAHH!!

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 11:09 a.m. PST

For the love of all that's good and fun and relaxing can we not keep this CRAP out of gaming, please?

Politics really does destroy everything it touches.

Legion 413 Jun 2020 1:06 p.m. PST

Would you think that GW is run by a bunch of racist bigots had they not posted this disclaimer?
Seems many businesses, TV channels, etc. are making some sort of disclaimer over the past few days.

Skinflint Games13 Jun 2020 5:06 p.m. PST

I'm not buying another pot of flesh tones!!!

Henry Martini13 Jun 2020 7:51 p.m. PST

I think you mean a… flesh pot.

Personal logo Tacitus Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 9:19 p.m. PST

GW did what any corporation needs to do. This is nothing compared to what NASCAR did.

arthur181514 Jun 2020 2:44 a.m. PST

I suspect Tacitus is right. All businesses will have to pay at least lip service to the current trend to protect themselves against potentially financially damaging criticism by the easily 'outraged'.

It just seems somewhat ironic given that many of their games involve conflict between races, real or imaginary.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2020 4:34 p.m. PST

"but the way they're treated by the police here and now has to stop."

Overall there are about 6o million police-civilian interactions every year. Last year 10 unarmed black men were killed by police. 8 were attacking the officer, and in two cases the officer was charged criminally. The problem exists, but it is not systemic, it is a matter of the occasional bad cop, and when it happens the officer is usually arrested.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2020 4:34 p.m. PST

All businesses will have to pay at least lip service to the current trend to protect themselves against potentially financially damaging criticism by the easily 'outraged'."

Not all businesses.

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joedog14 Jun 2020 9:56 p.m. PST

"Instead, it's simply pointing out that black people's lives are relatively undervalued in the US — and more likely to be ended by police — and the country needs to recognize that inequity to bring an end to it."

Your statement is an opinion that flies in the face of the facts.

More white men than blacks (male and female) are killed by police each year in America. More unarmed white men than blacks (male and female) are killed by police each year in America.
Also – more whites are killed by blacks than blacks are killed by whites. More blacks are killed by blacks than are killed by whites.

In Washington DC, where 47% of the people are black, 90% of victims of violent crime (most of whom are black) report that the people who attacked them were black, yet only 70% of arrests for violent crimes in DC are black suspects. SO, are blacks over-represneted in arrests (47% pop, 70% arrests) or under-represented in arrests (90% of violent crimes, 70% of arrests)?

If you want to see a group that is statistically overrepresented in arrests, detahs by police, etc. look at gender. Males make up over 90% of those arrested, over 90% of those imprisoned, over 90% of those who police use force on. Over 90% of those who are killed/murdered by police. Are the police sexist? Or, are there reasons that explain those numbers?

"If black lives mattered as much as all the other lives then we wouldn't be having this national conversation now, would we?"

If black lives didn't matter MORE, then we would have been having this conversation when Daniel Shaver was toryured and murdered by sadistic and unprofessional, power hungry police (only one cop lost his job, video was wthheld from the public, DA didn't charge most fo those involved, and then mishandled the case, leaving out critical evidence, to allow the cop to get off – and the cop who lost his job for that was rehired so he could get a pension), when Tony Timpa was murdered by police who knelt on his neck until he died (no officer was fired, the minor charges against teh officers were dropped before trial, and the video of the event was kept from the public for three years). How about Andy Lopez – a kid who was killed, like Tamir Rice was, by police who shot first and never asked any questions when he was seen holding a toy gun (not threatening anyone). How about Jose Guerena, who was murdered in his home by a SWAT team serving a "no knock" warrant – that was based on false statements made by dirty cops?

Why didn't we have these protests and riots when Atatiana Jefferson was murdered by an incompetent cop because she looked out her bedroom window to see who was trespassing in her yard? Why not Breonna Taylor? What about the many black people who have been murdered by out of control, violent protesters? Why does George Floyd's life matter more than any of theirs to BLM? Why wait for a violent career criminal to be killed by police, and use that as an excuse to riot?

joedog14 Jun 2020 10:00 p.m. PST

@ Don Manser

Thanks for caring about Patrick Underwood. We went to school together, and he was a nice guy. His death was tragic and completely unneccesary.

It's sad that, for many BLM types, the fact that he wore a uniform and a badge made his life NOT matter to them, because to BLM, only SOME black lives actually matter.

Rakkasan Supporting Member of TMP15 Jun 2020 2:14 a.m. PST

Joedog,
As longtime resident of northern Virginia and having worked previously in DC, I would like to know the source of your data in the previous post.

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP15 Jun 2020 7:17 a.m. PST

More white men than blacks (male and female) are killed by police each year in America. More unarmed white men than blacks (male and female) are killed by police each year in America.

And you're not looking at the right statistic. We're not talking about overall numbers but per capita. There can be no doubt that there is a huge discrepancy in that area: link

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Not all businesses.

That video speaks the truth. There is hope in humanity yet.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2020 8:35 a.m. PST

And then they came for the Conquistadors:
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Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2020 4:14 p.m. PST

And then they came for the Conquistadors

Yeah, then probably got shot by a Boogaloo (antithesis of Antifa) for his insolence.

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