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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2020 12:58 p.m. PST


A lot of territory…



robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2020 1:31 p.m. PST

Usually in Guerilla war, one counts population and not governmental units or area. It makes a lot of difference whether the one state you control is Wyoming or California.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2020 1:32 p.m. PST

Seen this kind of map and heard that for nam, along time ago…

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2020 2:19 p.m. PST

Control is kind of a relative thing

In places like Afghanistan it often amounts to who shows up with the gunship

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2020 4:34 p.m. PST

Oh, more recent than that, Frog. I was in the Pentagon for Somalia, and I was shocked to see how much of Vietnam the O-4's were reinventing. They weren't old enough to remember, and evidently no one told them about Vietnam in any of their military education.

(Me? I joined the Air Guard in 72, having signed the contract in 71. My outfit had been called up in 1941 for WWII, 1951 for Korea and 1961 for Berlin. They were a fairly nervous bunch at the time. with a feel for American military history. But watching a Major reinvent the coastal enclave program 20 years later was weird. Someone was doing "ink blots" again, lately, too.)

USAFpilot27 May 2020 4:50 p.m. PST

One glance at that map shows that the government is not in control.

But maybe maps of some major US cities showing police control vs gang control would look similar.

Thresher0127 May 2020 5:15 p.m. PST

An interesting view.

Would love to see something similar for Pakistan.

Raynman Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2020 7:09 a.m. PST

I've had the pleasure of actually visiting Mazer-e-Sharif.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2020 12:10 p.m. PST



robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2020 12:11 p.m. PST

And a map of the US by counties would show Democrats holding only a few coastal enclaves and some isolated garrisons, which is why I say focus on population not area. "How to Lie with Statistics" devotes much of a chapter to producing a map which will tell the story you want.

USAFpilot28 May 2020 12:37 p.m. PST

It's not that the data is false, but it is presented in a certain way to push an agenda. It's not that one way is right and another is wrong. Look at both area AND population. You just need to be aware that someone may be trying to manipulate and you need to get all the data. Check out this map of Covid-19 deaths in the US by thirds; it's rather eye opening.

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