Trajanus | 17 May 2020 3:11 a.m. PST |
How do Foundry Imperial Romans match up size wise with Warlord Games equivalents? I seem to recall they were on the small size of 28mm and of course Warlord definitely are but I've never had chance to do a size by size comparison. |
Johnp4000 | 17 May 2020 5:10 a.m. PST |
Foundry has two types of Imperial Romans, the saleh type which are more heroic 28mm and are huge compared to Warlords. The original Perry Castings which I think still seem bulkier and taller than Warlord, you could mix them but the Perry Castings would stand out. I would say Warlords Romans are more like old school 25mm. I assume you were talking about the Legionaries, the Auxiliaries however are larger and mix in easily with foundry. There is a youtube channel called Jason B, one of the vids is called 'size matters Foundry v Warlord' and you can see a good size comparison for both ranges. |
Trajanus | 17 May 2020 7:46 a.m. PST |
Thanks, turns out that this very funny. I'm starting to pull bits and pieces of old and unused purchases together looking toward the Lardies "Infamy, Infamy" rules, when they appear post virus. I have sprues of Warlord Legionaries I got years ago on a whim and since my posting have rediscovered an unmade box of Auxiliaries which are indeed larger! So that's added a twist as to, will I bother with the Legionaries and just replace them with Foundry, to stand alongside the bigger plastic Auxiliaries! As one door opens etc etc |
Beowulf | 17 May 2020 8:34 a.m. PST |
I think the difference in height is on purpose. Romans were shorter that barbarian tribes. |
Trajanus | 17 May 2020 10:03 a.m. PST |
Yes, I've read that. The difference here is in stature too. Perhaps they were just bigger men all round. |
Johnp4000 | 18 May 2020 4:19 a.m. PST |
That wouldn't explain why their Caesarean Romans are taller than the Imperials? The Late Republicans were more likely to be Italian born while the Imperials were more likely to be from the provinces. I don't think there is any science behind it, the Imperials are just 25mm and their later ranges are 28mm. |
Trajanus | 18 May 2020 9:41 a.m. PST |
I don't think there is any science behind it, the Imperials are just 25mm and their later ranges are 28mm. Certainly seems to be that way. I'm just glad I only got the one box of them! |
Johnp4000 | 18 May 2020 3:12 p.m. PST |
What is more amusing they do in the EIR range a set of Optios, these guys are head and shoulders above the Legionaries, of course there could be a chance the Romans had recruited several of Arnold schwarzenegger's distant relatives? |
Trajanus | 19 May 2020 2:51 a.m. PST |
I assembled one Auxiliary yesterday and put him against a Legion figure I built as a test years ago. It's ridiculous. Far bigger in all dimensions and 28mm base to eye compared with 25. I wonder why they have never remastered I know plastic moulds are really expensive but they have changed a number of their Bolt Action ranges over time. Maybe they make more money. |
Johnp4000 | 19 May 2020 4:30 a.m. PST |
There was talk of EIR equipped with Chainmail which would have been a chance to recast the figures but then BA came out, and that has been their main focus. I do think despite our comments the EIR legionaries sell enough for them not to pull the figures but they don't match up with any of the other major ranges out there. Do you have any Victrix or Aventine figures!! |
Trajanus | 19 May 2020 6:39 a.m. PST |
Do you have any Victrix or Aventine figures!! No, but I saw the posting someone did showing Victrix alongside Warlord and that made the Warlord Auxiliary/Legion comparison look almost sensible! They look huge and there are no individual command figures, unless they sell sprues? A bag of 12 generals I don't need. I think Aventine are lovely castings but I find them too chunky for my taste. Which is why I was looking at Foundry. |
BigRedBat | 19 May 2020 7:21 a.m. PST |
The old Foundry Perry range is still really nice, I had an army until comparatively recently. link |
Trajanus | 19 May 2020 10:40 a.m. PST |
I like them. The question now appears to be are they the same size as Warlord Plastic Auxiliaries! If that is the case I could be getting the Perry designed ones. |
Johnp4000 | 19 May 2020 1:19 p.m. PST |
Perry Legionaries scale well with all the Warlord's auxiliaries, both Cavalry and Foot troops. Victrix seems to really have up scaled their Roman mounted figures, I would look at their legionaries for a better comparison however the shields are notably bigger than Foundry's. |
Damion | 19 May 2020 8:16 p.m. PST |
Victrix mounted figures are the same size as their foot, the only difference is that the thighs of the mounted troops are much longer. Victrix also have big feet, both foot and mounted so when the mounted figures have their feet hanging down it makes the rider look bigger than they are. |
Johnp4000 | 20 May 2020 3:37 a.m. PST |
On the lead aventurer forum there is a photo comparison between a Numidian Cavalry figure and a Roman mounted figure, the Roman horse is definitely longer in length and the Roman figure looks head and shoulders above the Numidian. I just realised the comparison was of a Republican Roman, I can't find anything on the EIR Auxiliary castings. |
Damion | 20 May 2020 6:22 p.m. PST |
They're the same size John. Numidian horses look to be the same size as the chariot horses. |
Asteroid X | 23 May 2020 10:36 p.m. PST |
I like them. The question now appears to be are they the same size as Warlord Plastic Auxiliaries!If that is the case I could be getting the Perry designed ones. I know this thread is a few days old, but I am not clear on the above quote. Is it in regards to Victrix and Aventine or the Perry Foundry EIR figures? Victrix match with the Warlord Auxiliaries. (I don't have Aventine, but I know they match with Victrix, so they too would therefore match with the Warlord Auxiliaries.) These are 28mm. The Perry sculpted Foundry EIR are the 25mm ones that match with the Warlord plastic EIR. The Warlord EIR were their first plastic figures and were designed to match with the Foundry EIR. Just to throw a wrench in things, Foundry does sell 28mm EIR sculped by Steve Salah which match the Warlord Auxiliaries in size. Did you make a decision on which you wanted to get? Did you want to use your Warlord EIR Legionaries or your Auxiliaries? |
Trajanus | 25 May 2020 3:36 a.m. PST |
wmyers, Over the course of this discussion and on line/ You Tube viewing its become apparent that there is no way I'll be using Warlord Legionaries. Having their auxiliaries, both foot and mounted I will however use those. Having since realised Copplestone did the Foundry Caesarians but not the EIR, it has complicated matters as I can see them "in the flesh" via a friend. Foundry claim his work as a size match for their Perry range with just sculpted style differences but I would be happier to have real sight of both. The third sculptor they used doesn't interest me. In the mean time, in spite of previous doubt as to thickness of casting, there is one particular Aventine code I now like, which does't seem to be as beefy to me so that maybe where the money falls! |
Asteroid X | 25 May 2020 5:37 p.m. PST |
You could order a sample from different makers. I've noted more than a few claim 28mm but they are really 25mm or even 30/31/32mm (from the bottom of the foot to the eyes). The Steve Salah Romans match other 28mm (ie Warlord Auxiliaries) but certainly lack the details of Warlord or Perry sculpted Foundry. The Salah ones would work best as second and/or third rank figures. However, if you're gonna buy new you might as well get what you pay for and Foundry is a little ridiculous in price for undersized (by today's standard) figures. They are really nicely sculpted, though. You'd be better off paying a similar price for Aventine. |
Trajanus | 26 May 2020 1:47 a.m. PST |
Well that's my conclusion. Making a direct comparison of Foundry @ 8 for £12.00 GBP against Aventine's 8 for £9.60 GBP, having found a pose I like in the latter's range, is a no brainer! I've ordered a pack of four as a test case. |
Johnp4000 | 09 Jun 2020 3:18 a.m. PST |
Be aware Trajanus, aventine are very much heroic 28mm they are taller than most historical s and even bigger than some my GW Bretonnians. |
BigRedBat | 09 Jun 2020 6:29 a.m. PST |
I'd judge that the average Aventine would be roughly compatible in size with the Foundry Salehs, but much larger than the Foundry Perrys. |
Trajanus | 10 Jun 2020 9:17 a.m. PST |
Didn't find the Aventine size a problem in the finish. The four figures I purchased as a test were standing Legionaries, so the tallest ones on offer ie. not stooping for any reason. They are a good fit with my Warlord Auxiliaries, allowing for the small difference caused by those not not standing up straight pose and the overall build is similar. So Aventine will be getting the order given the price difference I noted above, as well as prefered castings. BTW: Any one know the reason why Foundry Barbarians, of whatever ilk, are £12.00 GBP for six, when their Romans are £12.00 GBP for eight? Is that some kind of profit motive based on Barbarian units being larger, or what? |
Henry Martini | 10 Jun 2020 9:58 p.m. PST |
Foundry tends to charge more/put fewer figures in a pack the greater the pose variation. |
Atheling | 28 Oct 2023 1:47 a.m. PST |
Does anyone have any pictures of the Patten designed Warlord Late romans next to any other ranges (including Wargames Foundry) please? Just Add Water Miniature Painting and Wargaming Blog: link |