andygamer | 15 Apr 2020 10:20 p.m. PST |
I don't know if this has ever been posted here, at least recently, but here's a fan cut of Waterloo with four scenes cut from the film "inserted" using stills. It's also in 1080 so it's very good quality. YouTube link Doh! I meant Dino De Laurentiis! Sorry; had Kubrick on my mind but his Napoleonic epic was never made. |
BillyNM | 16 Apr 2020 1:42 a.m. PST |
Blocked by SONY on copyright grounds. |
14Bore | 16 Apr 2020 2:41 a.m. PST |
Here I thought there was a new Waterloo movie |
PzGeneral | 16 Apr 2020 5:36 a.m. PST |
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Marc the plastics fan | 16 Apr 2020 7:48 a.m. PST |
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Mserafin | 16 Apr 2020 7:54 a.m. PST |
I saw this last week. Other than the "stills" scenes, there was footage I'd never seen. These included: 1. A scene of Boucher leading a cavalry charge at Ligny. This may have been the same charge they show when the Prussians show up at Waterloo, but from a different angle 2. A scene where "the blond English kid" wanders out of his square and cries out about why they have to kill one another. His cries are echoed again in the scene where Wellington rides over the battlefield. 3. The is a second or two of Wellington reacting to the sound of the incoming round that takes off Uxbridge's leg 4. The last scene is of Napoleon getting into his carriage and being driven off the battlefield. Over this are the producers' thanks to the Red Army for providing the men, and a special thanks to the 1st battalion the Gordon Highlanders There also appeared to be more to the scene where the French cavalry attack and when Ney tries to rally the guard, but I'm not as sure about those. It's possible I've never seen these parts because I'm American, so I expect we got a chopped-down version, but I'm sure I've never seen them in the 50 years I've been watching it. I also wonder at the use of sketch art to fill in the missing scenes. I myself posted a photo of the scene where Wellington meets Blucher from an Imageshack account that seems to only work intermittently for me. TMP link |
BillyNM | 16 Apr 2020 9:55 a.m. PST |
Has this fan-cut un-reversed the scenes of charging Prussian cavalry so, unlike in the original film, they won't all be left-handed? |
SHaT1984 | 16 Apr 2020 4:15 p.m. PST |
3. The is a second or two of Wellington reacting to the sound of the incoming round that takes off Uxbridge's leg Pretty sure thats in original I have. "My god you have Sir" is the end as actor (John…?) drops, davew |
Trajanus | 17 Apr 2020 1:58 a.m. PST |
That would be Terence Alexander. Well known British TV and Film character actor of the era. |
42flanker | 17 Apr 2020 2:53 a.m. PST |
Yes, Wellington looking up quizzically a moment or two before the offending shell explodes (of course, quite innacurate historically, as my father would say)- is in the original cut (although I confess it's a detail I only noticed the last time I watched the film, since on that occasion I was particularly interested to see their representation of that much mythologised episode). "By God, sir… I've lost my leg!" "By God, sir- so you have." |
dibble | 18 Apr 2020 1:43 p.m. PST |
Methinks some of you still don't have a VPN app? |
deadhead | 19 Apr 2020 3:51 a.m. PST |
I have long lamented the lost scenes from Waterloo, but am bound to wonder if they would have added a great deal. Lines like "Good beans Wellington" or the hurricane that blows across the field after the fall of LHS should have been cut. The blond lad (a Russian actor) was part of an attempt to introduce some human interest, beyond the CICs. We get one Irishman, the blond lad and not a single French OR soldier. Many still images may tell us what we did lose; TMP link |
Robert le Diable | 19 Apr 2020 5:22 a.m. PST |
There are the two grizzled Grenadiers seen both in the early sequence involving Ney's defection (they are among the Elba Battalion) and during the final advance; and I don't think it's actually Cambronne who replies to the call to surrender. But I agree that the unaccountable concern of the rough commander of the 92nd/Gordon Highlanders for "agriculture" as Wellington puts it coould have been cut, let alone the fashion-plate blond Russian Icon. "Why? Why?" Why indeed. There's a "novelisation" of the film/movie in which there's another tantalising hint of what might have been [shot]. Another French "character", who appears twice, is an officer of Dragoons. Early in the campaign, he is briefly involved with an Innkeeper's daughter; near the end, he's among the dead. I think a flower features in both passages, a very clear indication of an obvious visual "echo" (or "resonance", as is sometimes found) in two scenes. Whether these were simply intended, the writer working from some form of screenplay, or whether these are among the legendary Bondarchuk Apocrypha, remains to be seen. After all, the book was composed after the picture. And what about research into any surviving evidence of "storyboards"? Good Luck. |
Robert le Diable | 19 Apr 2020 5:30 a.m. PST |
By the way, I have read the "Link" material, and just seen again that the "book of the film" is noted there. I wonder if, from the words "a French Guardsman is introduced", and the thought that there is not any speaking role for any French soldier other than the senior officers, whether I've actually seen a longer version without knowing it! The words spoken by one of the two veterans in the earlier sequence are difficult to comprehend, but are something like, "The way is not around, but through" (when approaching Ney's blocking force). Perhaps that may bring them back to mind? |
42flanker | 19 Apr 2020 8:27 a.m. PST |
Isn't the lack of rank and file representation on the French side balanced by the focus on Napoleon and his existential struggle with destiny. One stage Irishmen on the British side (the blonde boy could have been in any colour coat) does not amount to a gross imbalance except as one of the vignettes that pepper the film apparently intended to show Wellington as warm and approachable – a curious decision. |
ConnaughtRanger | 19 Apr 2020 1:54 p.m. PST |
"one of the vignettes that pepper the film apparently intended to show Wellington as warm and approachable" Must have watched a different version from me? |
42flanker | 19 Apr 2020 2:15 p.m. PST |
I'll show you mine if you show me yours. |