Tango01 | 18 Mar 2020 9:12 p.m. PST |
"Fermi paradox is the apparent contradiction between the extremely high probability of the existence of alien civilizations and the irrefutable lack of evidence thereof…." Main page link Amicalement Armand |
Thresher01 | 18 Mar 2020 9:37 p.m. PST |
No doubt, "the Earth" is under "quarantine". In Traveller terms, we've been declared a Red Zone. |
Robert le Diable | 18 Mar 2020 10:01 p.m. PST |
I think he may have some books to sell. |
darthfozzywig | 18 Mar 2020 10:14 p.m. PST |
Hahaha Thresher is speaking my language. |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 18 Mar 2020 11:32 p.m. PST |
I agree with Thresher. The aliens think we're far too dangerous for official contact. It's pretty clear -- especially if you watch Ancient Aliens -- that aliens have been visiting us for thousands of years, trying to get us to change our behaviors. Lately, though, they've apparently given up, and now just do occasional abductions for scientific purposes -- or possibly those are the alien equivalent of college kids driving into the countryside to find a cow to tip. |
etotheipi | 19 Mar 2020 6:02 a.m. PST |
There is no good taste coefficient in the equation. If that was added, it would probably make more sense. or possibly those are the alien equivalent of college kids driving into the countryside to find a cow to tip. And here's the tabletop scenario for that … Hey, Dude … Where's My Transdimensional Intergalactic Transport? |
JMcCarroll | 19 Mar 2020 7:25 a.m. PST |
Or maybe … They are being very, very quiet! |
mjkerner | 19 Mar 2020 10:21 a.m. PST |
I, for one, welcome our new Extraterrestrial Overlords…whenever they actually get here. Barring that, I, for one, welcome our new A.I. Overlords! |
SBminisguy | 19 Mar 2020 10:57 a.m. PST |
It's equally likely that Humans are the first, or one of a very small number of technological sapients in our galaxy -- little atolls of life scattered across the 8 Trillion cubic light years of the Milky Way galaxy. The statistical odds of our existence are staggeringly small. The subject of much debate between scientists of all or no faith, all do agree that the chance of just a single viable living organism arising from a raw soup of organic molecules and protein chains approaches zero. The math varies, but the odds of a simple organism evolving is something like 1 in 10^400th power (or 1 in 10 million trillionths of a percent). And Carl Sagan felt the odds of sapient life like humanity arising to technological dominance on a world was 1 in 10^2,000,000,000…so…that's a lot of zeros against…yikes! So that may answer Fermi's Paradox -- we are alone, or one of a small handful of technological sentients. And despite our theories of FTL travel (Alcubierre, etc) – maybe Einstein's Speed Limit is absolute and we just can't go very far, so any advanced tech societies may only be confined to their own solar system to a handful of nearby stars |
Tango01 | 19 Mar 2020 12:53 p.m. PST |
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USAFpilot | 19 Mar 2020 1:30 p.m. PST |
"It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination." Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, |
Legion 4 | 19 Mar 2020 3:09 p.m. PST |
Regardless, it would be a statistical improbability that no other life intelligent to otherwise exists in the galaxy or even the universe. Of course I'm not the first to see this concept. It makes no sense IMO, that we are alone in the universe. But until some ETs land on the WH lawn in prime time … we're just going to have to be patient … |
Slow Oats | 19 Mar 2020 4:04 p.m. PST |
Legion, I really don't agree. A common threshold for statistical impossibility (where the odds of something occuring are so low as to be considered impossible for practical purposes) is 1 in 10^50. As SB says, even our most generous guesses for the odds of even simple life occuring fall well beyond that threshold. We're pretty much a statistical miracle. With that in mind, is it really that difficult to believe that we're one of a kind? Or even if we're not, that the odds would be so generous as to put us and the aliens close enough in time and space for it to ever matter to either of us? Until one of them parks on the White House lawn, I really see no reason to take it as a given that anyone's out there. |
Zephyr1 | 19 Mar 2020 9:52 p.m. PST |
Time to get off our human asses and go conquer the galaxy (then the universe… ;-) |
Jeffers | 20 Mar 2020 2:00 a.m. PST |
In today's show we will be asking the question: "Aliens: do they exist and, if so, why are they only ever seen by people who are mad or too stupid to operate a camera properly?" Stewart Lee from ‘This Morning With Richard Not Judy' about 25 years ago… |
Robert le Diable | 20 Mar 2020 5:41 a.m. PST |
He has unwisely jumped to a conclusion. Maybe only those who are stupid or mad (that's a word to be discountenanced now) actually speak of their experiences. The rest of us keep quiet…. |
Robert le Diable | 20 Mar 2020 5:42 a.m. PST |
Eh… that should be "the rest of them", of course. |
Tango01 | 20 Mar 2020 12:18 p.m. PST |
Ha!Ha!…. Amicalement Armand |
Legion 4 | 21 Mar 2020 12:32 p.m. PST |
Until one of them parks on the White House lawn, I really see no reason to take it as a given that anyone's out there. I'm still sticking with we are not the only life in the Galaxy or even the Universe. And many, many smarter people then me have said the same. So I await their arrival on the WH lawn, Disney World, Las Vegas, etc. Also I was never very good at math … but again it's a big place the Universe[or Multiverse] … so again … I'm not "comfortable" enough to say were are a the only ones … let alone a miracle. With that in mind, is it really that difficult to believe that we're one of a kind? Agreed Or even if we're not, that the odds would be so generous as to put us and the aliens close enough in time and space for it to ever matter to either of us? Again we'll just have to wait and see … |