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Blutarski24 Jan 2020 6:47 p.m. PST

Found this fascinating factoid regarding the consequences of logistical shortages in a post-WW2 essay on the US 3rd Army's Lorraine campaign.

"Extensive use was also made of captured German ordnance. One Time on Target (TOT) fired in XX Corps' zone was executed with captured German 105-mm howitzers, Russian-made 76.2-mm guns and French 155-mm howitzers (also captured from the Germans), and German 88-mm antitank guns. Eighty percent of the artillery ammunition expended by XX Corps in the last week of October was of German origin."

LOL.

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Zephyr124 Jan 2020 10:06 p.m. PST

Makes sense to use it up instead of letting it sit in a rear area until it can be destroyed. Plus you can imagine the German consternation of thinking their own artillery fire was falling short on them…

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP25 Jan 2020 4:50 a.m. PST

Yeah, I'd run into it before. Now all you army list guys, quick check through your codexes and see how much you pay for a battery of American 88's.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Jan 2020 6:21 a.m. PST

Yes, there are several references to using captured German artillery in the Green Books.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse25 Jan 2020 9:45 a.m. PST

Why not … it worked and there was lot of ammo ! But I did not know it was this widespread in the US Army. Good Intel !

Blutarski25 Jan 2020 10:37 a.m. PST

Hi Legion 4 -
This item appeared in connection with a US Army research document on 3rd Army operations in Lorraine during the period (early-Sep to early-Nov 44) in which logistical support of 3rd Army had been severely curtailed. Both gasoline and artillery ammunition were rationed over that period of time.

The DTIC digital reference library is a great trove of material of this sort.


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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse28 Jan 2020 3:44 p.m. PST

Thanks for that intel B !

My Father, an Inf SGT with the 90ID, was WIA'd during the Lorraine Campaign. From shelling from German FA and/or mortars. He was awarded a Purple Heart to add to his Silver Star and finally a Bronze Star.

mkenny28 Jan 2020 10:55 p.m. PST

The US had severe shortages of both tanks and ammunition. The Commonwealth supplied both 25pdrs and tanks to help alleviated the shortages

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