USAFpilot | 21 Jan 2020 6:04 p.m. PST |
"The American Revolution was unique from every other revolution in history in one profound way: it was not begun by the poor or oppressed, but rather by the wealthy and successful. Those who signed the Declaration of Independence had the most to lose by a revolution. Nothing like this can be found in recorded history. What kind of vision could fire the souls of the most accomplished and comfortable to face such an impossible task of challenging the most powerful empire in the world? …" link |
Ryan T | 21 Jan 2020 9:08 p.m. PST |
"The American Revolution was unique from every other rebellion in history in one profound way: it was not begun by the poor and oppressed, but rather by the wealthy and successful. Those that signed the Declaration of Independence had the most to lose by a revolution. Nothing like this can be found in recorded history." It doesn't help an argument very much when the opening sentences can be shown to be incorrect with a few minutes of searching into recorded history. Dutch Revolt – A group of about 400 members of the nobility present a petition to the Spanish governor of the Netherlands asking for an end to religious persecution. At least two of the leading petitioners, the Counts of Egmont and Horne, are arrested and beheaded for treason. Fellow petitioner William I of Orange, Stadtholder of the provinces Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht, goes on to lead an armed rebellion against the Spanish. After several years the Dutch Republic is formed and even during the course of the long 80 Years War it becomes a formidable economic power. English Civil War – The struggle between King Charles I and Parliament ends with the beheading of the King and the creation of a republic. That's at least two "rebellions/revolts" led by the "wealthy and successful" with a lot to lose by their actions. |
Green Tiger | 22 Jan 2020 2:04 a.m. PST |
Marx believed that revolutions were mounted by each social group in turn so the revolt of the American proletariat is still due… |
Dn Jackson | 22 Jan 2020 7:13 a.m. PST |
Yea, but Marx was an idiot. :-) |
AussieAndy | 22 Jan 2020 7:19 a.m. PST |
What a load of utter rubbish. If people actually believe this stuff, it goes a long way to explaining the behaviour of some of the citizens of the US. |
Pan Marek | 22 Jan 2020 9:54 a.m. PST |
The Bolshevik leaders were all professional rabble rousers from the middle class. |
Cerdic | 22 Jan 2020 12:34 p.m. PST |
So were the original leaders of the French Revolution. They were all lawyers and the like. In fact, I think most revolutions are started by people just below the top because they are prevented from getting to the top by the people who are already there. |
Au pas de Charge | 22 Jan 2020 1:46 p.m. PST |
Oh I wouldnt worry about Marx and American proletariats rising up and all that. Marx assumed that people acted in their own self interests and he never dreamed of a class of people like the American uneducated, working poor who torpedoed their own interests for the impossible dream. I think Founder John Dickinson said it best: "Most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor." Hey, Founders know best. |
Dynaman8789 | 22 Jan 2020 2:46 p.m. PST |
Does TMP do gifs? The way this is going…
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raylev3 | 22 Jan 2020 4:43 p.m. PST |
Unfortunately the source for this discussion is not known for it's expertise in war, politics, strategy, geo-politics, revolutionary theory, which would explain why other examples were not known. Sooooo, it's not necessarily going to be accurate. Having said that, the point of the article is the idea that a variety of individuals came together at a point in time when the "age of enlightenment" was really coming together, and attempted to put those ideas into practice. |
ochoin | 22 Jan 2020 7:34 p.m. PST |
Lenin and Stalin had to "re-interpret" Marx to explain how the Intelligentsia formented the Russian Revolution. The proletariat were at best Indians to these Chiefs. The OPs attempts to find something special with the AWI seems to be a strain, at best. |
Au pas de Charge | 22 Jan 2020 11:25 p.m. PST |
Oooh, I actually hadnt bothered to read past the first couple of paragraphs. It looks like a roundabout way to suggest the Founders never intended separation of church and state. Apparently, the author has been a student of history for over 50 years. One wonders what exactly he has gotten out of all those logged hours. link In any case, look forward to getting my hands on this gem, written by the author of the original article: Overcoming Witchcraft (2003); I feel like this girl at the checkout counter has been giving me the evil eye.
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Major Bloodnok | 24 Jan 2020 12:50 p.m. PST |
"'elp, 'elp, i'm being oppressed". Was the cry of the poor, lowly, destitute barons that forced King John to sign the Magna Carta? |
brass1 | 25 Jan 2020 12:20 p.m. PST |
An article written by a self-styled prophet who allegedly studied history for 50 years but apparently only gleaned from his studies that P.T.Barnum was right on target with his statement that there's a sucker born every minute. I think I'll go back to studying real history. LT |