Tango01 | 06 Jan 2020 9:41 p.m. PST |
"They called him "the American," and while it's unclear whether that was a term of endearment, any fellow British officer using it to disparage Col. William Howe De Lancey risked the wrath of his longtime friend and mentor, Arthur Wellesley—better known as the Duke of Wellington. De Lancey was at Wellington's side on the day of his greatest triumph—June 18, 1815, the Battle of Waterloo. The duke survived; the American didn't…." Main page link Amicalement Armand
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dibble | 07 Jan 2020 6:29 a.m. PST |
They ignored James Gairdner, the Charleston born lad (July 1792) who was an officer in the 95th Rifles, I see? His dad was a full-blooded American still living in Augusta, Georgia, who warned his son against fighting his fellow countrymen. He was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant on the 23rd August 1810. He served in the Peninsula (wounded twice) from 1812 where he was awarded the GSM with nine bars [Cuidad Rodrigo] [Badajoz] [Salamanca] [Vitoria] [Pyrenees] [Nivelle] [Nive] [Orthes] [Toulouse] and the Waterloo campaign which gained him the Waterloo medal. He was wounded for a third time at Quatre Bras so missed the Waterloo battle. He was part of the Army of Occupation till 1818, left the army on 30th December 1826, sailed back to the US and married in Richmond on 1st March 1827. They had nine children with two of the boys serving in the Confederate army, one (Henry) in the 5th Georgia Regiment Volunteers, survived. The other Lt. George Crawford, died at Missionary Ridge |
Trajanus | 07 Jan 2020 9:36 a.m. PST |
If one felt in the mood to argue, one might make a case that as De Lancey was born in 1778 and therefore before the Treaty of Paris, he was in fact a British subject at birth. |
Bill N | 07 Jan 2020 9:45 a.m. PST |
Except that the U.S. in its own eyes was an independent country from 1776 when it declared independence. Besides in the 1770s it was possible to argue that one could be both a loyal subject of the King of Great Britain and an "American" at the same time. |
Tango01 | 07 Jan 2020 11:14 a.m. PST |
Thanks!. Amicalement Armand
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4th Cuirassier | 08 Jan 2020 10:50 a.m. PST |
@ Bill N Well, it depends what you mean by American. Native Americans didn't gain much from independence, being the wrong sort of American. |
Trajanus | 08 Jan 2020 11:05 a.m. PST |
Actually my tongue was kinda in my cheek there. As I recall, the point I made was the same as Britain made, in 1812, regarding "borrowing" sailors from US ships who were in the same position, birthday wise. US Government wasn't impressed by the argument then either! :o) |
42flanker | 08 Jan 2020 11:27 a.m. PST |
"Native Americans didn't gain much from independence, being the wrong sort of American" To be fair the Indians all thought of themselves as 'The People, ' and 'The Rest' either as inveterate enemies, slaves or useful trade contacts (some of whom may have been allies). |
Bill N | 08 Jan 2020 7:11 p.m. PST |
It wouldn't be the first time I missed the joke Trajanus. |
Tango01 | 08 Jan 2020 10:49 p.m. PST |
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Old Glory | 10 Jan 2020 1:59 p.m. PST |
Anyone born in America is a native American. What else would they be, a native man from Mars ? |
Nine pound round | 10 Jan 2020 2:11 p.m. PST |
In those days, the term was geographical; they used it to refer to people we would today label "Canadians." |