"Catchy code-name for upcoming gulf war" Topic

Operation when you have a big hammer every problem looks like a nail

what is it with you red-neck, blue-collar Johnny Rebs?, isn`t the rest of the world allowed an opinion, I am sick of hearing how you saved our sorry arses in the two World wars, the first you didn`t get into to until it was nearlly over, and the second you were propelled into by being caught with your pants down by a `fifth-rate world power` and then crippling Britains war economy by selling them outdated warships at vastly inflated prices

Shall we mention Vietnam and the `crusade against communism`? 10 years of fighting a tenth-rate world power in the jungles of South-East Asia and acheiving nothing except 50000 American casualties and a lot of dead Vietnamese peasant farmers (or Viet-Cong if you belive the BS)

And now bubba George wants to take on North Korea, the same North Korea that gave the `Free World` a bloody nose 50 years ago, that still has China as an ally, the same China that sent 700,000 troops to die in the Korean war, and now posesses nuclear missiles

Your elected leaders have decided that America will be the world`s policeman, the same leaders who have never seen a `proper` war close up

Will you still feel as bellicose when the body bags come home or when the Chinese nukes air burst over Hometown USA?

Whee, dawgy!

Hey pzivh34, they allow you access to thte internet, but still no sharp objects, right?

All those USA guys crying on their flags cos the rest of the world isn't convinced by dodgy photos of trucks beside factories (they're factories. they're bound to have trucks) and talking about saving people from subjection to living in reservations (kurds) and denigration by authority etc.
I have two words for you:

Native Americans

C'mon, explain that one. Or give them their land back.

WOW! I didn't think this would turn out to be a political discussion. But I guess I should have seen this coming. All I was looking for were some catchy (and funny) names for this (serious) military operation and I must admit I saw some good ones!
Anyway, thanks everbody for your input and keep them coming!

operation flacid shaft

operation hooters

operation justify jihad

operation three kings 2

A lot of interesting ranting---I mean discussion. Not very enlightening, but it is interesting to see how thick some of the blinders are on some people.

I wish the world was a rosy, let's-all-hold-hands-and-sing-together kind of place. It's not. There are nations and organizations who are just plain evil out there whose aim is to kill those who oppose them in the most obscene of ways they can think of.

Just listen to the rhetoric of Saddam Hussein and Kim Il Jung---and compare that to the measured, logical argumnets of President Bush and PM Blair. We don't want to kill and maim the Iraqis---we want SH to prove he has disarmed. If he won't, then we'll go in and make sure.

I'm sure there were people who felt PM Neville Chamberlain was a dedicated and misunderstood peacemaker. But his shilly-shallying, crawfishing peace-in-our-time political maneuvering let Hitler off the hook---and the world into a terrible world war. We should not let it happen again.

The US should not have to be a world policeman, but the UN is too wacky to make a decision unless they are presented with a pile of dead bodies, as happened when good ol' boy Saddam invaded Kuwait. Oh, right, we should all just forget about that little episode, I guess?

operation 'catch this boomerang'
operation 'Oil! Oil! Oil!'
operation 'Righteous Christian Enduring World Domination Crusade'
operation 'Burn The Godless Pagans'
operation 'Empire Strikes Back'

Yeah funny how people forget Kuwait.

Operation Step Down Or We Take You Down

How about some rare honesty: Operation Zionist Proxy or Operation Petrograb

I find myself torn between both camps, so:

Operation: Raghead Rubout

Operation: Republican Whitehouse Retention

Operation Charlie Foxtrot (and all of you know thats CF, and a CF is a Cluster F***).

There are nations and organizations who are just plain evil out there whose aim is to kill those who oppose them in the most obscene of ways they can think of.

WHICH NATION ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, YET AGAIN POT KETTLE BLACK.

I'm sure there were people who felt PM Neville Chamberlain was a dedicated and misunderstood peacemaker. But his shilly-shallying, crawfishing peace-in-our-time political maneuvering let Hitler off the hook---and the world into a terrible world war. We should not let it happen again.

UNLIKE IRAQ THE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT GOING TO WAR (WITH GERMANY)WAS EVIDENT TO ALL, PEOPLE JUST DIDNT WANT TO GO TO WAR 20 YEARS AFTER SEEING THE CREAM OF A GENERATION SQUADERD IN A WAR THAT GAINED LITTLE FOR ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS, EVEN AMERICA NEW OF THE GERMAN ARMS RACE AND DID NOTHING ABOUT IT "ISOLATIONISM" I THINK THE TERM WAS/IS FOR AMERICAS LATE ENTRY INTO THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

I DONT SEE PRESIDENT BUSH BUILDING UP TROOPS AND ARMOUR IN SOUTH KOREA RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE IS CLEAR DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT NK ARE BUILDING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AT THE MOMENT THEY ARE THE LEADING EXPORTER OF BALISTIC WEAPONS TECHNOLOGY.
NK HAVE MADE NO EFFORT TO HIDE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE PRODUCING WEAPONS GRADE PLUTONIUM, WHERE ARE THE PRE-EMTIVE STRIKES AGAINST NK OR THE BUILD UP OF TROOPS, COULD IT BE THAT THE APPITITE FOR DESTRUCTION DOESNT QUIT RUN TO TAKING ON AN OPPPONENT WHO HAS THE BACKING OF CHINA AND THAT NK HAVE NO OIL RESERVES WORTH MENTIONING.

PAVLOV

Operation Democracy...Operation Crusader (I love that one so wanted to take it for my own)...Operation Redneck (Let's acknowledge who they think we are!)...Operation Saving Europe yet again!

While I don't think the majority of Europeans, and I don't classify the British as European because of their mindset, may not hate Americans it seems that you dislike us. You hate our government but you dislike the people. You feel that we are crass, crude, ignorant cowboys. You wish that we would bring our cash, spend it as quickly as possible, then leave. You want our government to take direction from either or both France and Germany because you take the long view of history and know better than the poor dumb Americans. The thing to remember is that France hasn't won a war in how long? Forget WWI the French lost it and without the Brits/Commonwealth and the US it would have been the Franco-Prussian War all over again. In WWII France surrendered and actually fought against their liberators, again the Brits/Commonwealth and the US. Why is it that the French seem incapable of handling their own problems, (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Chad, Kosovo, the Ivory Coast) but feels that it can dictate policy to the United States? Why is it that the government of France can condemn Unilateralism but can uninlaterally go against everything that the United States thinks is good policy including feeding starving Africans? People in Africa are starving but the French have convinced them that genetically modified food is harmful. More harmful then starving to death?

Americans are like most people. If we know we are liked and respected we respond likewise. The British, Germans, Dutch, Spanish etc...seem to feel the same way. The attitude of the French government and apparently a lot of French is exactly the opposite. The stereotype of the French is that the people are snobs and dislike Americans and Brits, have no gratitude, are unwilling to get their hands dirty when things need to get done but are willing to send others to do the work and that includes the Foreign Legion who are NOT French! Stereotypes may be wrong but is there a grain of truth somewhere in there?

As for our American Liberal brothers and sisters... the nice thing about this country unlike say Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Burma and Zimbabwe and most of the rest of Africa is that you are allowed to express your opinion. In those places you would be killed for expressing your opinion unless it is in line with the governments. So, those places that you defend are those places that you would be killed in for using your right of freedom of expression. I think debate in a society is good. But if the majority have decided that the war is right then the warriors need support and should not have to worry about those at home giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

BTW...I did 4 years in the USAF and thus fit under Heinlein's criteria!

Mike O'Brien

"Just listen to the rhetoric of Saddam Hussein and Kim Il Jung---and compare that to the measured, logical argumnets of President Bush and PM Blair."

Measured, logical arguments? My wife and I were watching the news last night and heard Bush's newest "justifications" and wondered if anyone actually believed any of it. Thanks for disappointing me - I really thought better of the american people.

Perhaps the war should be:
Operation gullible masses

And BTW the rest of the world doesn't hate americans - some of us even have democracy and freedom of speech - some of our highest leaders AREN'T white, male millionaires! Isn't it ironic to celebrate your right to say what you want and slam anyone for exercising thiers?

I guess I think the war could be:

Operation pick on someone your own size

or

Operation thinly justified genocide

Bush and his spit boy Blair are following Hitler's guide to staying in power by the numbers: find an easily identifiable weaker skapegoat and hide the fact that the economy is in a hell of a mess and millions of your own population live below the poverty line. I guess picking on weaker people who look different makes them feel big or something.

Sad really

Sorry Mike, but this isn't a 1950's science fiction novel. Robert H. wrote Starship Troopers at the end of one major war and in the middle of the next - a time when right wing paranoia and xenophobia were rampant in this country. Frankly Heinlein's criteria for citizenship went out the window after our little adventure in vietnam. As for bashing the French, the fact that the French and German POLITICIANS are using the war to strengthen their positions with their electorates is no different than what dubya and his cronies are doing here in hyping up the war. Finally, drop that tired hippocracy of the right claiming to support the rights of liberals in this country to voice their opposition to the war and then turning around and trying to score points by noting that in Iraq or North Korea or whereever, they wouldn't be allowed to make such statments. The fact is that your political leaders on the right, especially that would be facist in the Attorny General's office - Ashcroft - would strip us of those rights at the drop of a hat - ever hear of the Patriots Act- if they thought they could get away with it.
My vote is for:
Operation Git Reilectid in 20004(sic)

Operation White heat; O Blinders on; O Not again; O Desert lion; O Buzzard puss; O There and back again; O Twin towers; O Now or later; O Holy ; O Widow maker; O Sandman; O Lights out; O Stone-age; O Rags to riches; O Join the club; O Beast-master; O Snake-pit; O Ostrich; O Terrorist; O Bon soir......

MtM

Operation Kill This Thread

Merlin the mad 08 Feb 2003 00:51:25 "O Desert rat"

Oi Merlin! Keep me out of this!!

Just think there is someone at the Pentegon actually getting paid to think up these stupid names.

Are you anti-war in Iraq or anti-Bush? No one complains when Clinton attacks the Balkans without the UN. No one complains when Clinton rains cruise missiles onto Iraq in 1998 or 9.

I might take more of you seriously if you didn't continually compare Bush and the rest to Hitler. That's useless, pointless rhetoric. If you really LOOK at the situations and separate your anti-Bushism from reality then maybe you'll see that Saddam is the bad guy here. You may not like the way Bush thinks but how about how Saddam acts? Saddam pays Palestinian homicide-bomber's families 25k for blowing up kids in shopping malls. He tortures and kills his own people. He kills anyone that talks out against him(despite the fact that you don't want to admit that goes on.)These aren't things that go on in the US.

Why is Saddam Hussein building all of these weapons? Sure the US and Russia have a bunch of nukes but the world KNOWs we do, its how we kept the peace. The threat of mutual annihilation is a big one. Its why the North Koreans have admitted to having them. Now, an otherwise insignificant country has leverage with the big players. So now you have to ask yourself: if Saddam has these weapons(which even the UN and French and German governments admits he does) then what is his plan for them? The only reason to keep them secret is to eventually use them. Or say he does come out and admit his aresenal and that he has it aimed at all of his neighbors. Is this really the man you want to hold the world hostage?

None of you can debate the real points. I thought some of you might but you resorted to name calling and propaganda instead of honestly discussing it. There are things called facts and there are even legitimate opinions on both sides. Calling someone Hitler or fascist is just childish and boring.

Are we 'gullible masses' or are we smart enough to see past our own left-wing right-wing bias to see what's really going on in the world?

Q

The Battle of Baghdad

The Gulf War would then consist of the Battle of Kuwait in 1990-1991 and the Battle of Baghdad in 2003-2004. still need a name for the nearly continuous air/anti-air conflict that went on between the two major battles.

How about Operation Stop funding the UN and Drop out of it.

Worthless organization that expects the US to supply most of the funding.

"The Battle of Baghdad"

You mean the Battle FOR Bagdad... they're not there yet! :)

Bravo for Slagneb, I agree with his operation name.
UN=Useless Nuts

How about we just call it "Betty"?

Locking up people without trial

attacking countries without international concensus

pushing through legislation restricting peoples freedoms

denying people there civil liberties

Saddam George or Adolf ........... sounds all the same to me

Civil liberties and freedom are taken away bit by bit in the land of the free where free speach is only free if you toe the party line.

George Orwell might have been right all along we just didnt see it happening.

Pavlov

Hrothgar what are you going to say next operation Implement the Protocols??

And if we don't go to war, if we don't enforce UN Resolution 1441 which requires Iraq to disarm, what happens then? Within 6 months to 2 years, Saddam will decide who is next in the barrel -- my guess is Israel -- and sends them a nice present. *When* Israel retaliates (with the Nukes we and everyone knows they have and don't talk about), the Middle East goes up in smoke (as the Arabs and Muslims will not allow the "zionists" to do that to their "arab brothers", and therefore fight back).

The question becomes -- will this trigger World War III? And do you really want to bet it won't? And how will anyone collect when you're *wrong?*

The world is like a residential street. The U.S. happens to live in the nicest house on the block -- not the biggest (that would be the Chinese and Indian dorms down the street). Iraq is like a shack stuck on the back of a gas station. Its not necessarily very nice there, but people need gas so they go there. Saddam is a lot like that crazy neighbor with a shotgun that likes to shoot pets that wander on his property. Mostly everyone ignores him, but eventually, someone needs to take the shells away from the crazy guy before he hits someone's kids.

Its not a question of if, its only a question of when.

It doesn't matter that the US may have (probably did) help cause the situation with not-so-covert help to him during the Iran-Iraq War.

It doesn't matter that Saddam sent assassins to try and kill Bush senior after he left office. Anyone who believes that GWB could pursue action and get this far based *entirely* on that is deluded as to the power of the Presidency in the United States.

What matters is the stability of the region and the safety of the world. Does anyone really believe that he will just sit back and not bother anyone if we were to leave? Really?

I'm not a war-monger - far from it. I'm not happy that people will lose their lives fighting to stop a madman. But this is one of those situations where the needs of the many *do* outweigh the needs of the few.

The man has *tons* of anthrax and VX gas. He admitted to their existence in 1993. Now he says they are gone without offering any way to verify it. Blix has said as much. Saddam has not been forthcoming. Do you people have any idea how much death *that* can cause?

It needs to happen. No one needs to be happy about it. Let us just get this done for the safety of everyone.

-Paul @ Team Frog

www.teamfrog.com

operation 'Nuke From Orbit!'

May I just bring up one event 'Halabja Day'

How about "Operation Collecting Capitals" then we can do Bagdad, Tehran and Riyadh all in one big operation. Like I told a co-worker "I'll visit the Middle East when there's and American flag flying over Riyadh!".

Saddam is a threat because we know he'll use a nuke if he gets it. The North Koreans are a threat because they'll sell the damn things to anyone who can buy them but they can't hit anyone of any consequence. If we really want to scare the North Koreans we'll give Japan the bomb and get their help with the anti-missle defense system!

Actually I think it is Bush's willingness to pay American homicide-bombers' families to kill kids in shopping malls, school yards, weddings and any other place, that bothers me.

BTW I actually never called Bush or Blair Hitler I just pointed out that opportunistic, insecure leaders have used the existance of the "identifiable other" as a means to maintain power before - in fact the first crusade was arguably preached for that very reason.

oops maybe I just gave George and Tony religeous status :)

ooo Margret Thatcher did the same thing too - maybe I just called them both women! (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Breschnev (sp?) was another - oops did I just say that they were communists? Of course not but analogy is a fun game.

We didn't think much of Clinton's little efforts either but he didn't try to force us through trade agreements to join in.

Anyway - I think we have moved away from the fun that was the intention of this post so lets go back to talking about something REALLY serious like toy soldiers and dice.

Or maybe I'm just a 40s facist, pope, communist woman!

ps - wouldn't it be really ironic if WW3 started with us arguing over who would cause WW3 :)

Operation Masher? Operation Musher? Operation Whack?

Operation Basher? Operation Hasher? Operation Smack?

Operation Smasher? Operation Crusher? Operation Bludgeon?

Operation Operation? Operation Annihilate? Operation Sap?

Operation Biffer? Operation Thud? Operation Noitarepo?

Is that funny enough for everyone?

Okay? Anybody going to shoot anybody?

Right. [group hug] let's get back to being friends.

operation pent-up scrote

operationt D.A.D.V

operationt MADDAS

operationt TASH-TWATTER

operationt rock the gasbah

operationt ESSO-S

gwart!

Stop snorting the Vim and get back to sculpting Kano and Bad Co! Also the VC's.

tricky one that,im only gonna do the rest of the ABC warriors then thats the lot for the 2000 ad stuff.sorry!.

I love some of the suggestions so far. Keep 'em coming guys!

"if we don't enforce UN Resolution 1441 which requires Iraq to disarm, what happens then?"

Since when is the US in the business of enforcing UN resolutions? If they are, why don't they start by enforcing Resolutions 194 and 242, acting hastily against the only nation in the Middle East *known* to possess nuclear weapons?

Rhetorical question, since we know why.

Hence my less-than silly suggestion:

Operation Hypocrisy.

Other Dave

opertion dogsnob

opertion desert disneyworld

opertion americanized!or mechanized?

opertion monkey bush

opertion super idiot! (gotta love state controlled iraqi tabloids)

opertion philmore butts

Dubya is going in so Saddam has to use any WMD defending Baghdad, thus eliminating Iraq's WMD stockpile. The man's a genius!!

Operation Collateral Damage