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MichaelCollinsHimself26 Nov 2019 2:56 a.m. PST

Can anyone help me locate an online source for the following in the original Greek that I can cut and paste rather than a physical page scan as at; link ….

"The people of Rome were regretting that they had not prevented the return voyage of Hannibal, and when they learned that he was consolidating the opposition in Libya, they were again terrified beyond measure.
(a.u. 552) Accordingly they sent Claudius Nero, one of the consuls, to attend to him, and allotted to Marcus Servilius the protection of Italy. Nevertheless Nero was not able to reach Libya, being detained in Italy by stormy weather and again at Sardinia. After that he progressed no farther than Sicily, for he learned that Scipio had proved the victor. Scipio, indeed, was afraid that Nero might be so prompt as to appropriate the glory that properly was the fruit of his own toils, and so, at the very first glimmer of spring, he took up his march against Hannibal; he had already received information that the latter had conquered Masinissa. Hannibal, upon ascertaining the approach of Scipio, did not wait, but went out to meet him."

This translation is at:
link

I am mostly interested in the reference to the clause: ", …at the very first glimmer of spring,…"

Thanks for any assistance you can lend me in this.

GurKhan26 Nov 2019 3:29 a.m. PST

Is that bit of Dio actually from Zonaras? Thayer's translation page at link is not wholly clear.

Perseus has a text of Dio 17 – link – but I can't find your passage.

MichaelCollinsHimself26 Nov 2019 3:42 a.m. PST

You`re right that link didn`t work…
A moment, I`ll try and get the link to work.

MichaelCollinsHimself26 Nov 2019 3:43 a.m. PST

see if this works….

link

the Zonaras is in purple text, Cassius Dio`s in dark blue.

MichaelCollinsHimself26 Nov 2019 4:10 a.m. PST

It seems to be in Cassius Dio:


"IX, 14.—The people of Rome were regretting that they had not prevented the return voyage of Hannibal, and when they learned that he was consolidating the opposition in Libya, they were again terrified beyond measure. [Sidenote: B.C. 202 (a.u. 552)] Accordingly they sent Claudius Nero, one of the consuls, to attend to him, and allotted to Marcus Servilius the protection of Italy. Nevertheless Nero was not able to reach Libya, being detained in Italy by stormy weather and again at Sardinia. After that he progressed no farther than Sicily, for he learned that Scipio had proved the victor. Scipio, indeed, was afraid that Nero might be so prompt as to appropriate the glory that properly was the fruit of his own toils, and so, at the very first glimmer of spring, he took up his march against Hannibal; he had already received information that the latter had conquered Masinissa. Hannibal, upon ascertaining the approach of Scipio, did not wait, but went out to meet him. They encamped opposite each other and did not at once come to blows, but delayed several days; and each commander addressed words to his own army and incited it to battle."

link


Anyhow, regarding the timing of the battle; Dio seems to indicate that the battle at Zama took place in the spring of 202 BC.

GurKhan26 Nov 2019 4:28 a.m. PST

the Zonaras is in purple text, Cassius Dio`s in dark blue.

Which both look the same colour to me :-( I was misled by the lack of a two-column layout and "Zonaras" heading.

Not sure I can help with finding the text, then, sorry.

MichaelCollinsHimself26 Nov 2019 6:08 a.m. PST

OK – thanks Duncan.
Translating key words, the text of Dio 17 contains reference to Syphax, Sofophide, Massinissa and Scipio along with a Sulpicus, so I think it concerns events in 203 BC.
The next two chapters do not seem to be about events Africa to me. Maybe I`ll contact Bill Thayer?

Swampster26 Nov 2019 12:49 p.m. PST

I have only found a version which is an easier to navigate scan – link

the first glimmer of spring is tou earos epilampsantos link – comparison with the cited Herodotus might make it'when spring had fully come".

MichaelCollinsHimself29 Nov 2019 12:14 p.m. PST

Thanks Swampster,

A spring date for the battle of Zama is confusing as it`s not the best time to start a campaign in north Africa and it leaves quite a long time to lapse before Scipio`s peace terms are accepted by the Carthaginian senate.
It`s more surprising if we note that Cassius Dio was governor of Africa in 223 AD, but then would he have been aware of military operations?

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