"Canadian Militia in the AWI" Topic
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Au pas de Charge | 25 Nov 2019 8:45 p.m. PST |
For Canadian Militia just use FIW Canadian Militia or Coureur de bois? Or are there better miniatures for this? |
historygamer | 25 Nov 2019 9:03 p.m. PST |
For what battles? CdB is largely a wargamer myth. |
Au pas de Charge | 25 Nov 2019 9:19 p.m. PST |
Sorry, to be clear, I was curious about what sort of figures to represent Canadian Militia in the AWI. |
Glengarry5 | 26 Nov 2019 2:53 a.m. PST |
I gather the dress of the French Canadian militia did not change much if at all from the FIW to the War of 1812. I'm not sure where this idea that the Coureur de bois are a myth comes from. |
coopman | 26 Nov 2019 6:12 a.m. PST |
I'm using Canadian Militia from F&IW ranges. |
historygamer | 26 Nov 2019 6:40 a.m. PST |
Again, what battles. Quebec? Montreal? Yes, CdB is a myth. Point to one Order of Battle, in either war, where they are listed. Canadian Militia from the big cities were not filled with frontiersman, and neither were the forces during the F&I War. If you think so, please provide a period source, not wargaming mythology. Canadian militia, that fought for the British, were shopkeepers, businessmen, farmers. There are a number of Rev War re-enactors who portray this impression, and they are Canadian, and have done a lot of research on the subject. None have beards, buckskin fringe outfits, etc. But again, I am always willing to learn. Provide some period sources on the matter and enlighten us all. Note that the Canadians that fought for the Americans, all wore regular issued uniforms. |
doc mcb | 26 Nov 2019 7:20 a.m. PST |
Just as background, the British won the goodwill of the French Canadians with the Quebec Act, so they were not very impressed by the US desire to make them the 14th colony/state. One assumes most Canadians who supported the British would indeed have been residents of Montreal and then Quebec. If they were not uniformed, they probably did not look too different from northern New England militia. So not woodsmen. |
historygamer | 26 Nov 2019 8:20 a.m. PST |
link Note where the Canadian militia came from, and in some cases, they were Englishmen living there. |
historygamer | 26 Nov 2019 8:24 a.m. PST |
Agreed doc mcb. The Canadian malice of the F&I period likely looked a bit different, though even then CdB are more wargamer mythology than fact. I have asked, for years, for someone to post something factual about them on TMP and they have yet to answer that call. They often confuse Colonial Marine officers (and their long held opinions) with CdB. I know, your army, your figures. You can mix in Orcs with laser rifles if you like, but that doesn't mean it is correct from a historical perspective. |
Silurian | 26 Nov 2019 8:55 a.m. PST |
Hey, I have Arnold battle a few Bigfoot before he even gets to Quebec! |
Au pas de Charge | 26 Nov 2019 9:33 a.m. PST |
No idea why we are discussing Coureur de Bois. The only reason I used the term is to designate the figures commonly marketed for the FIW and ask if both they and the similarly sculpted Franches de la Marine are the figures to use to represent Canadian militia in the AWI. Presumably Canadian militia DID exist in the AWI and I wondered if they were much different than the figures marketed under the terms CdB and F de la Marine. |
historygamer | 26 Nov 2019 9:54 a.m. PST |
If you read the link I provided, it got into some detail on Canadian militia. The Canadian milice of F&I period (1754-1760) were deployed to the frontier, mainly as laborers moving supplies, rarely fighting. The AWI Canadian militia likely looked very different from the earlier period, as during the AWI the Canadian militia was deployed close to home, not on the frontier. According to the info on the link, they were often composed of English settlers too. Forgive my reaction, but the F&I boards and figure ranges are full of near-fantasy-fanatics about CdBs, there 1800s-like clothing, beards, and ninja/sniper-like fighting abilities. Colonial French Marines had a distinct regular uniform, whether wearing their white justacorps (coat) or not. They were regular uniforms, and likely not worn any more in the AWI than what the Virginia Regiments wore in the 1750s. Now, if we are talking winter battles (see my first question that was never answered), then yes, they likely wore blanket coats with a round fur lined hat, or a knit cap. But likely so did some of the British regulars too. |
GamesPoet | 28 Nov 2019 6:00 p.m. PST |
Thankfully this was on an AWI board. And Happy Thanksgiving! ; ) |
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