Antonio lobo 1 72 | 23 Nov 2019 3:40 p.m. PST |
Hello everybody, I know that the question I´m rising is very broad. I Trying to build the contenders of the AWI in 1/72 scale. As you can see I have practically enough English Units to conform an Army… modellingawi.blogspot.com (I have to say that I´m not specialist in this period. After reading books as "an Illustrated Encyclopeddia of Uniforms from 1775-83, (Lorenzbooks) and the supplement "Rebellion" of the "Black Powder "Ruleset, is not very difficult to understand the basic lines of the uniformity of the English army…) So I want to continue with the Continental Army. And this is other issue. Dozens of different uniforms, tContinental army, local "state" units… In the rebellion supplement we can a lot of schemes With the Continental Regiments, years and colors… I think, I have only these simple ideas; -In the Lorenz book I can read about the Continental infantry; "When dealing with the Continental infantry regiments and the uniforms, it should be noted that the most common uniform worn before the uniforms regulations of 1779 were issued was either dark blue coats faced red or brown coats faced red. Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New York and South Carolina were states that furnished their troops with uniforms of these basic colors" -In the "Rebellions supplement" we can read " In 1779-80 it was the hope of Congress And Washington that more standardisation could be brought to the appearence of the Continental army. The infantry were to wear a dark blue uniform coat with facing colours dependent on the colony; White for New England; buff for New York and New Jersey; red or scarlet for the middle colonies, including Virginia; blue in the Carolinas and Georgia. Is very complicate for me (I´m not very familiarized with this part of the history) to choose what units made and paint..; what unit do you think are the more representatives units of the continental Army, and can be useful not only for one specific battle but for using them in the largest possible number of battles? If you can indicate the name of the unit and one image of the uniform (there are many variations in the same unit..) I´ll try to do them…
Thank you very, very muchˇ Antonio. |
DisasterWargamer | 23 Nov 2019 3:59 p.m. PST |
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FusilierDan | 23 Nov 2019 5:08 p.m. PST |
You could pick one of the bigger battles and then choose regiments from that to build your forces. Brandywine is a good one. link This was part of the Philadelphia campaign and so many of the units would have been in other battles. link For my army I painted units from NY and then some slightly more generic units to complete the army. Good luck and have fun. |
Pan Marek | 23 Nov 2019 8:18 p.m. PST |
link to the best discussion on getting started on AWI wargaming ever put together. It answers your exact question: TMP link |
79thPA | 23 Nov 2019 9:41 p.m. PST |
It may not be of any help to you, but I build generic units in a variety of uniforms, and they serve in any theater for any year. |
Antonio lobo 1 72 | 24 Nov 2019 12:57 a.m. PST |
thank you vey much everyone, Pan Marek, the link you have posted is just what I was looking for, very interestingˇ and very usefu your links too, FusilerDan. Antonio. |
Bill N | 24 Nov 2019 10:13 a.m. PST |
It may not be of any help to you, but I build generic units in a variety of uniforms, and they serve in any theater for any year. Blue faced red does indeed cover a large number of units, especially in the southern campaign late in the war. After a while though turning out another blue faced red unit gets monotonous even if you do mix up the hat types, waistcoats and pants. So a little variety can help. |
79thPA | 25 Nov 2019 8:38 a.m. PST |
That is why I throw in some units with brown coats, etc. I don't have an army of blue faced red, but a blue faced red unit will serve as any unit I want it to be. |
Normal Guy | 25 Nov 2019 1:40 p.m. PST |
My units also serve across different theaters, and they have never complained. I you are just getting started, you have listed some some basic units in blue and brown that will serve very well. You can change up on some facing colors for variety. Add a unit or two of personal favorites, maybe some rifles or militia troop and you will be off and running. Welcome to a wonderful period. |
Antonio lobo 1 72 | 27 Nov 2019 8:24 a.m. PST |
Thank you for your good tipsˇ I´m painting now units in blue-red and brown-red… One small question, may be a little irrelevant, but if I can solve it… I see many illustration with British soldier wearing white hair wigs,-it´s the way I have painted them, is it correct? And in the same way, it was habitual in the American side? I think not in the militia units…but in the regular units? Thank you very much… Antonio. |
Herkybird | 09 Dec 2019 4:17 p.m. PST |
Personally, I doubt whitened hair or wigs were used much if at all during this civil war! |
historygamer | 10 Dec 2019 6:40 a.m. PST |
The American forces, at times, had some crazy coat colors. I just have a mix of brown and blue coats, faced red, and leave it at that. I agree with Herky, wigs were going out of fashion at the time. Powdering ones hair, wig or real, would be reserved for high social occasions, not likely the field of battle. "In the "Rebellions supplement" we can read " In 1779-80 it was the hope of Congress And Washington that more standardisation could be brought to the appearence of the Continental army. " It was the hope, but never realized. The troops were all supplied by their own states, with the one year exception of lottery coats provided by France (mix of brown and blue coats faced red). The standardization was never really realized as the states only supplied what they could get their hands on, mainly through trade with the European powers in the Caribbean. |
Jeffers | 11 Dec 2019 1:05 a.m. PST |
My 2p: 1. No wigs or powdered hair for British. 2. Just paint up the Continental units you think look the nicest. |
Brechtel198 | 11 Dec 2019 7:10 a.m. PST |
I have been buying used and 'new' Imrie/Risley figures of the Continental, British, and Grande Armee armies on ebay lately as they are no longer in production. Interestingly, the older Hellenic Miniatures, also by Imrie, are being sold in the boxes they originally came in. If anyone is interested take a look. Imrie/Risley figures also come with painting guides which are most helpful. |
Antonio lobo 1 72 | 12 Dec 2019 3:00 p.m. PST |
Thank you everyone, Sadly, I had painted British units carrying white wig (I didn´t know about powdered hairˇ) I´m painting some American units in the way you have advised me, in blue and brown coats faced red basically. I hope to put some pics this weekendˇ Thank you again, Antonio. . |
Bill N | 12 Dec 2019 3:10 p.m. PST |
Don't sweat it. Many of us paint our figures so that they look better than they likely would have appeared on the battlefield. There is nothing wrong with a parade ground wargame army. |
Jeffers | 12 Dec 2019 5:23 p.m. PST |
Don't worry Antonio. I prefer my British in 1768 warrant despite knowing better! And my Continentals carry Betsy Ross flags: battle77.blogspot.com |
Antonio lobo 1 72 | 13 Dec 2019 12:16 p.m. PST |
Very nice unit Jeffersˇ I like your clean painting style a lotˇ My first painted unit…
link Antonio.
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Jeffers | 14 Dec 2019 6:37 a.m. PST |
Nicely done & love the basing. Avoid the white hair for future units, though 😉. Thanks for the compliment but my painting style is far from clean – I just slap it on and take bad photos…😎 |
Antonio lobo 1 72 | 17 Dec 2019 11:29 a.m. PST |
Thank you Jeffers, you are very modest, more units are coming… Antonio. |
Antonio lobo 1 72 | 29 Dec 2019 1:09 p.m. PST |
This time I have build and American unit wearing a dark blue uniform coat with buff as facing color. Apart from some militia units and According to the new regulations of 1979, this facing colour was established for units of the states of New York and New Jersey. I have added some men wearing some civilian clothes, something that seems usual in the scenes of the American units. I have used generics flags valid for non specific units.
More pics in the link… link Apart from Continentals from the states of New York and New Jersey, do you know what militia units wore this uniform?
Thank you very much… Antonio, |