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Van Damme21 Nov 2019 2:57 p.m. PST

I came across this print;
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under the red chenille is a horse hair tail,also in red.
Is this for a specific period, parade or campaign, or a specific rank?
Never saw a representation of this on a miniature.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2019 5:23 a.m. PST

I too have never seen a Carabinier with this feature.

He may be Royalist from First or Second Restoration.

The chenille with a horse tail became a feature of the Royalist Gendarmes d'Elite of the Imperial Guard and of the Maison du Roi's Black Musketeers. All ranks and black, but for the trumpeters.

von Winterfeldt22 Nov 2019 7:19 a.m. PST

difficult to say, one sees them with and without those horse tails in contemporary prints, here two, one Larboissier and son at the battle of Borodino by Grs, I don't know when it was painted.

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and Blancard

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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2019 9:38 a.m. PST

Well Rousellot shows something very similar, but it turns out that he is reproducing Von W's top picture above.

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he follows this with a trumpet major with the same headgear, but in white of course. He also cites an officer of 1811 with "a fur crest and floating mane". His conclusion is that this was a whim of certain NCOs and some officers of 1e Carabiniers.

That mane, to me, is just SO Restoration style though, I do wonder when painted.

Since checked. I knew the son was killed at Borodino, minutes after the farewell to his dad (who also died in the Russia Campaign) but the painting of Lariboisier is variously described as 1814 or 1815. Therefore I do suspect reflects contemporary fashion changes.

Van Damme25 Nov 2019 1:29 p.m. PST

On pinterest I found a drawing from P. Benigni;


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Unfortunately no date about the dress of the officer.
Would make a nice difference on 28mm figures if the officers could have the extended horsetail. But only if historical accurate off course ;-)

And a uniform plate from P.Courcelle;
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Dating it to 1815?

SHaT198426 Nov 2019 4:14 a.m. PST

Rousellot aside, I never saw any such thing on my Grande Tour of artifacts in museums.
As for an Italian drawing(s), no, never. Seen far too many mistakes/ adopted changes to trust any of which I do not already hold substantial proof.

However, easily modelled in minutes, placing a tiny strand of Milliput at nape/ peak then creased with a sharp xacto blade to shape the fall of horeshair.
Me- I can't be bothered.\d

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2019 6:17 a.m. PST

Oh if you do see a Restoration Gendarmes d'Elite or Black Musketeers helmet, it is a very elegant look and, for a Carabinier officer, probably well worth it. I had forgotten the Courcelle print!

4th Cuirassier26 Nov 2019 10:18 a.m. PST

I have to say those facings are the darkest light blue I can recall seeing.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2019 6:25 a.m. PST

The edging to the cuirasse was a much darker blue than the facings, but, certainly in the lower of von W's pictures, little difference.

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