"Redoutes Fontenoy" Topic
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Brownand | 05 Nov 2019 8:16 a.m. PST |
A simple question; how did the redoutes look which were build on the Fontenoy battlefield? eg; how big were they? I suppose they were quick earthen ones, square and with an entrance at the back and with a ditch aroudn them. |
Jcfrog | 05 Nov 2019 10:21 a.m. PST |
Possiblis abattis for the one near the woods. Mostt likely. Easy and would explain its resilience. Une small bn plus 4 guns afaik / remember. So not big 50-60 m per side On period murals they show something smallish like that. The garrison should be manning the guns intervals and have a reserve. With the minis out of scale bases you will be hard put to do them on scale. If too big they get a disproportionate space and effect. Their effect was to hold securely guns. ( presumably with more ammo). |
Brownand | 05 Nov 2019 3:17 p.m. PST |
thanks, it is always a problem to portray this kind of fortifivation on the wargames table correctly |
Historydude18 | 11 Nov 2019 6:18 p.m. PST |
Saxe was trying to do what Peter the Great did at Poltava where the Swedish troops attacked Russian redoubts and were slaughtered. I wasn't there so I can't vouch for how big they were or what they looked like but they did not result in as big a casualty rate for the British and Dutch as the Swedes at Poltava. The redoubts were hastily constructed and protected the French lines. I have the Osprey title on the way to learn more on Fontenoy and it will probably talk about this. |
Gunfreak | 12 Nov 2019 2:32 a.m. PST |
It wasn't the redoubts themselves that caused the slaughter, the biggest effect they had, was they dragged 6 Swedish battalions away from the main force(who just bypassed the Redoubts) Those 6 battalions got so separated that the Russians detached a decent force, chased them halfway across the battlefield, before the remains of those battalions surrendered. The remaining Swedish infantry and all the cavalry then attacked the Russian army, who had ventured out of their fort. some 4000 Swedish infantry vs Some 20 000 Russian infantry and dozens and dozens of guns. By the time the Swedish line met the Russian, they might have been as low as 3000, The Swedish cavalry for some reason was late in the attack, and the Swedish infantry was defeated before the cavalry came. And that's when the slaughter started. But even so, the main part of the Swedish army surrendered some time later. |
Tricorne1971 | 15 Nov 2019 11:03 a.m. PST |
When I was visiting the battlefield, I and my travel partner picked up the very detailed book produced to commemorate the 250th anniversary. Also one can reference the plan et profit de retranchements du village de Fontenoy le 11 mai 1745 found in the Service Historique de la Defense a Vincennes archives (SHAT). The entrenchments covering Fontenoy were fairly complex, with one or two ditches (with gabions on second) in front of an elevated reinforced earth rampart. I believe the book is out of print, but the citation is Fontenoy 1745, published by Wapica 2015. wapica.be |
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