14Bore | 01 Nov 2019 1:01 p.m. PST |
Though reading of course Napoleonic warfare came across another friendly fire account actually between same nationality forces ( Saxons). But as a well read I think military history know it is a bugaboo to every era including the Gulf war that with computers and GPS it still happened. So my question is has it ever happened to you on the game board? I never have. |
deadhead | 01 Nov 2019 1:26 p.m. PST |
The game board I imagine does not allow for a firing on a bunch of lads in green tops riding towards you, who turn out to be Netherlanders and not French Chasseurs a Cheval, as at Quatre Bras. I am sure those of you who throw dice know your creations intimately and could never mistake them. Unless you have specific rules that say any cavalry unit approaching an infantry unit of another nation, however much allied, may be fired upon in error, if you throw a 1-2. I stress it may well be that is allowed for in some rules and I have no idea…clever if so! |
robert piepenbrink | 01 Nov 2019 2:25 p.m. PST |
I have not played rules or scenarios which provide for such a thing, but I have run into scenario rules which did. See Drewienkiewicz and Poole, First Bull Run 1861 in the Wargaming in History series. The "fratricide table" looked to me well thought-out, and workable for Shiloh. I think something similar could be devised for Napoleonic engagements. |
Gunfreak | 01 Nov 2019 2:40 p.m. PST |
I guess, you need to make rules that say your unit must fire upon any unit moving towards it. And give some parameters like the firing unit needs to have fiered twice in a row(the smoke) Or it's turn 10 of 16(getting dark) |
Markconz | 01 Nov 2019 2:40 p.m. PST |
Something I think about too, I think one of Michael Hopper's scenarios from his 1809 series might have it, Saxons vs Austrians. But otherwise I think the vagaries of dice throws during a game are sufficient to account for the possibility that such an event has occurred. It certainly seems that something like that must have occurred sometimes! |
Don Perrin | 01 Nov 2019 2:45 p.m. PST |
I have had it happen to my side in a game, where a 1 on a d20 caused me to consult a chart, which said "halt, turn and fire at the closest troops if in range, regardless of nationality, but give the target cover (whether they had it or not)" or some such. The cover part was, my guess, to cover the fact that if you could see them clearly, you would never have fired on them. |
ColCampbell | 01 Nov 2019 3:21 p.m. PST |
We've had it happen very infrequently in TSATF colonial games when a friendly unit is in a fire zone. But the way we play it, only face cards impact on the friendly unit. This is a local modification of the rules. Jim |
Col Durnford | 01 Nov 2019 3:45 p.m. PST |
I had it happen in a D&D game once. I was doing a 3D dungeon with a very large party (something like 8-10 players). The wizard's fireball hit the EHP and a player thief attempting a back stab got caught in the blast. I also had one player on an ACW game fire on a unit on his side by mistake. No rules, just player action. |
Martin Rapier | 01 Nov 2019 7:54 p.m. PST |
I've seen it happened with indirect fire and airstrikes in modern games. Nineteenth Century? Not so much. |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 01 Nov 2019 8:23 p.m. PST |
I have told the story of the friendly fire incident in my StarGrunt convention game elsewhere on this forum. |
skirmishcampaigns | 02 Nov 2019 4:12 a.m. PST |
Yes, several times I have shot down my wingman in Check Your 6! wWII. Very funny to my opponents. |
Giles the Zog | 02 Nov 2019 4:26 a.m. PST |
had an incident playing D&D, a stroll in a cavern which we were battling, our wizard decided to use a fireball spell…which in an enclosed space resulted in blow back catching several of our characters as well as the roll. |
Giles the Zog | 02 Nov 2019 6:25 a.m. PST |
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NOLA Chris | 02 Nov 2019 7:15 a.m. PST |
Pathfinder role playing, as above, has seen my party fratricide with fireballs, lightning bolts, and cones of cold… In WW2 and Sci-Fi we've had some from mortar/artillery/air-support deviation, scatters into friendly units |
von Schwartz | 02 Nov 2019 7:41 p.m. PST |
Does shooting yourself in the foot count? I've told this one before, a friend of mine, was playing something in the age of sail. He fired a ineffectual long range broadside from his massive triple deck flagship which misfired, started a small fire, which spread to his magazine, which exploded, sunk his flagship, his entire squadron failed morale and fled off the board, all on like the third or forth turn of the game. It became legendary! |
Wolfhag | 06 Nov 2019 6:09 p.m. PST |
von Schwartz for the win! Wolfhag |