"Mass Shooting At Russian Base In Far East Leaves" Topic

…8 Soldiers Dead.

"A Russian soldier has shot and killed eight colleagues and left two more wounded after a 'nervous breakdown' at remote military base in Siberia.

The gunman – named locally as Ramil Shamsutdinov, 20 – opened fire with his service weapon around 6.20pm local time during a changing of the guard at a 'repair and technical base' in the Transbaikal Region, the Russian Defence Ministry said.

Eight people died at the base, in the closed settlement of Gorny, while two more were taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. The shooter was arrested…"

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Armand

Why are they always "arrested?" I don't get it…

I don't think they're always arrested. Some kill themselves, some are killed by armed responders, and some get away.

What don't you get? If the shooter is alive and no longer posing a threat, don't you want to interrogate him and find out his purpose, his accomplices' identities, his plans, his affiliations and associations? That will require an arrest.

Not knowing in this case but there is a huge problem in the Russian military with hazing of younger conscripts. In many cases it is almost like institutionalized torture. So it is not uncommon for young conscripts to shoot their tormentors.

And why they are arrested, criminals, if they pose no threat should always be arrested and then put on trial. Shooting people who does not pose a threat is not professional behavior.

Agree!.

Amicalement
Armand

Skipper John, the answer is yazyk.
It's a Russian word. noun; literally tongue; mil. a prisoner captured for the purpose of interrogation, to obtain intelligence.

A recommended read is "One Soldier's War." It describes the experience of a soldier in the 2nd Chechen War. The hazing & general living conditions were horrific.

According to a Russian newschannel the shooter was a 20 ys old conscript. He killed 5 other conscripts and three officers. One of the officers killed was a sergeant (I know an sergeant is not an officer, maybe bad translation) who liked to brutalize conscripts according to other conscripts who had served at the base previously.

The killer showed no remorse after being arrested. I guess something like in the movie Full Metal Jacket.

I dunno, if command won't stop the abuse, you may have to take matters into your own hands.

I think I know where skipper John is coming from with his comment. Maybe it doesn't apply in this particular case; but many mass shooters you read about in the press are just nut cases. Nothing to learn, nothing to gain by them being arrested. Instead the nut case becomes a financial drain upon society. Like I said, it doesn't apply in all cases, but many times the best possible outcome would be for the mass shooter to be killed on the scene.

From what I've read, the guy was normal. Moreover, he is reported to be a patriot of the country. These cases where happening all the time, I remember we were patrolling the railroad near the border, trying to intercept one of the first soldiers, who has killed 4 – back in 1986.
The easiest way for your revenge is to be on guard duty – same as happened here. You have an AK and two magazines, more than enough.
I can tell you that at certain point in my life in army I had some killing thoughts for a couple of bastards but I've decided that I'm not ruining my life bcs of them. It just ended with a couple of broken noses (mine included ;)) and some broken ribs.
Looks like it is still a problem.

Thanks Barin!.

Amicalement
Armand

Looks like it is still a problem.

Sorry to hear that, Barin.

But yeah, this is why the US military tries to come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who abuses their subordinates. Someone like that is likely to get 'fragged' in a combat zone, and you sure as hell don't want them in during peacetime because they utterly destroy unit cohesion.

From today's news the picture is becoming more complicated.
The accident happened in guard house, during guard changing – i.e he either had AK, returning from the post, or got it from the rack before going to the post. First he shot the officer, and then, when other soldiers fell on the floor hiding, shot them all, aiming for the head. In the end he finished all with control headshots.
This is quite different from other accidents I've read before.
First of all, officers normally are against all this bullying – at least it was definitely so in my times. ALso, it is unlikely that he had troubles with all of other soldiers on duty, but I might be wrong and he was treated poorly by all of them (and the officer was covering it)
There were cases when a shooter was killing those, who messed with him, and then, in affect or to cover up, was killing some innocent bystanders.
In this case he made the kills in cold blood. May be he started with the officer bcs he was the only one capable of resistance, and the shooter wanted to have no problems killing others. At the moment I'm not sure what and why happened in this faraway place…

Bulling is not good against people who would carried an automatic weapon… I have seen that also… the revenge is in the air….

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Armand