Tango01 | 17 Oct 2019 10:26 p.m. PST |
…. Syria and Turkey to enter direct conflict, says Moscow, as their forces position themselves between the two factions following US withdrawal See here link Amicalement Armand |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 18 Oct 2019 10:39 a.m. PST |
Knew all along that Putin and Erdogan had an "understanding." The idea that Russia and its client Syria would fight Turkey never even crossed my mind. The US played right into their hands and lost whatever influence it had left in Syria. Just like they wanted. |
JMcCarroll | 18 Oct 2019 11:33 a.m. PST |
The US played right into their hands and lost whatever influence it had left in Syria. Just like they wanted. True, but our boys will not be coming home in bags. It will be another 20 years before Syria civil war is over. |
USAFpilot | 18 Oct 2019 12:19 p.m. PST |
The US has no strategic interests in Syria. We never did, even before we became energy independent. The Russians can have it all and get caught up in thousand year old rivalries of various tribes. I wish them good luck. |
Tango01 | 18 Oct 2019 12:23 p.m. PST |
Not interest in Syria… before ISIS… What if they come back?… you have to watch that zone… and give it as a present to the Russians… is not a good geopolitical move…
Amicalement Armand
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USAFpilot | 18 Oct 2019 2:49 p.m. PST |
Destroying the ISIS caliphate was in our interest; nation building in Syria is not. Cold War has been over since the Soviet Union collapsed; the game has changed and moving our military around like on a game of Risk is not in our interest in all places. |
Col Durnford | 18 Oct 2019 5:40 p.m. PST |
Now, if would just get the Neo-soviets to take over in Afghanistan. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 18 Oct 2019 7:36 p.m. PST |
USAFpilot's got a point. There are strong isolationist feelings in America. There are many who do not think the US should play the role of "world policemen" anymore because it's too costly. They are pushing back against the internationalists. |
Tango01 | 19 Oct 2019 11:43 a.m. PST |
Agree with that… but ISIS is not dead… and remember how this began… Amicalement Armand |
Thresher01 | 20 Oct 2019 2:15 p.m. PST |
"…you have to watch that zone… and give it as a present to the Russians… is not a good geopolitical move…". Actually, seems to me it IS a brilliant political move, since we have no strategic interests there, don't want to get bogged down into another quagmire (we're still in Afghanistan, and one is enough) where more of our troops will be killed, can't afford to fight another war in another country, and the Russkies get to take over being policeman of the world for a change in a venue too. It also puts Russia at odds with, and up against Erdogan, which may kill the SA-400 deal, or at least make it a bit less friendly, so, WIN, WIN, WIN, in my personal opinion. Yep, JMC, USAFP and VC make excellent points. I like their thinking. Now, how do we get the Chinese to assist with this? Covertly warn them that their opium supply is at risk? |
Makhno1918 | 21 Oct 2019 6:49 a.m. PST |
To me its just disgusting how the US government used the SDF as a blunt object and then hung them out to dry. The so-called ceasefire was an even worse betrayal than the original decision to "pull out of the middle east" (read, send same forces to Iraq, add a ton more to Saudi Arabia, let the Turks ethically clense northern Syria). I know who the real terrorists are, and it sure isnt the people of Rojava. Death to tyrants! |
USAFpilot | 21 Oct 2019 9:02 a.m. PST |
There is a lot of "disgusting" throughout history. This is not the first time we have turned our backs on the Kurds. It has been going on since the Ford administration in the 70's. During the 90's while I was on active duty I supported Operation NORTHERN WATCH which was designed to protect the Kurds in northern Iraq against Saddam using his air force against them. The mission was headquartered in Turkey. On occasion, the US Air Force would stand down so the Turks could go bomb the very people we were suppose to protect. Ironic, absurd, and yep "disgusting" too. |
Makhno1918 | 21 Oct 2019 12:36 p.m. PST |
For sure. The betrayal goes all the way back to Wwi, when that region was carved up by Western powers, leaving the Kurdish people split between 4 different countries run by 4 governments who have not been particularly sympathetic to Kurdish people. Considering this and Turky's mixed allegiences during WWII, Mr Trump showed his true ignorance of history with his D Day comment. |
Lion in the Stars | 21 Oct 2019 12:56 p.m. PST |
Agree with Thresher01. I think this is an attempt to pit Russia against Turkey. |
USAFpilot | 21 Oct 2019 2:24 p.m. PST |
Despite everything I've written; I think the President is doing what is in the best long term interests of the United States. There are no easy solutions. |
Barin1 | 23 Oct 2019 3:32 a.m. PST |
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USAFpilot | 23 Oct 2019 6:11 a.m. PST |
Funny Barin1, as soon as I saw "CNN" I stopped reading. If you have an opinion about the thread topic why don't you state it, instead of posting a link to a dubious news source. |
Barin1 | 23 Oct 2019 7:26 a.m. PST |
I find it interesting that when CNN was reporting bs on Russia it was ok, but if they critisize your current administration they're dubious news source ;) I'm working in a company with HQ and owners in US. Each year we have a survey when each employee has to answer a number of questions. One group of the questions is dedicated to trust – do you trust your managers, your company leaders and your team. They consider this part to be very important…and it is true. Now, if you come to Syria and Kurds, it is exactly the biggest loss of USA – trust. Also, respect – if you see how sporadic this evacuation took place ( you even had to bomb your own weapon depots which could not be evacuated in time) one may get a feeling that nobody was aware of Erdogan planning and nobody in US diplomacy corps could mitigate the risks and problems of intervention. And looks like that the same is planned in Afghanistan – I can understand that US wants out of there, but by all means it is not "mission accomplished". I know a bit about TAPI pipeline and there're direct talks with Taliban on security of the project. Not with Kabul government anymore. I wonder how long it can go like this… "Angry scenes demonstrate sense of betrayal amid rushed US pullout as Trump says remaining force is to protect oil not Kurds" link |