"Need Idiom translating svp" Topic
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| Prof Pate | 04 Oct 2019 3:55 p.m. PST |
I can literally translate this sentence but I suspect cité does not mean cite. Can anyone give guidance? Le 5 Décembre 1947, le 3ème groupe est cité à l'ordre de la Division. Merci John BRUCE |
 Extra Crispy  | 04 Oct 2019 4:22 p.m. PST |
Does it mean mentioned? As in mentioned in dispatches? |
Oberlindes Sol LIC  | 04 Oct 2019 8:14 p.m. PST |
I think it means "cited" (like mentioned): The 5th of December 1947, the 3rd group is cited in the order of the Division. |
| Fred Mills | 05 Oct 2019 5:01 a.m. PST |
In this instance, I think it means that the it received a meritorious unit citation (l'ordre de la division) on the date indicated. "Mentioned in dispatches" would normally be "ordre du jour", I think. |
| Prof Pate | 05 Oct 2019 8:50 a.m. PST |
Thanks all. Fred. on balance, I'm going with your suggestion. I had been concerned that it meant the relevant unit was stood down – The article indicates that in the following Jan the Etat-Major (HQ element?) was dissolved and remainder of the unit was made 'autonome'. I was wondering if there's a term for partial deactivation. All best John |
| Fred Mills | 05 Oct 2019 11:32 a.m. PST |
You're welcome. It is hard to tell, without reading more context, what the other references mean, but "état-major" usually means the general staff, military staff, or – in some cases – something closer to "brains trust" or even "senior advisers". "Autonome" means, as you'd expect, "autonomy", which in a military context likely means "autonomous", as applied to a unit's command hierarchy, or to be more precise "indepedent", as in "brigade blindée autonome", an 'independent armoured brigade.' Cheers. |
| altfritz | 05 Oct 2019 7:04 p.m. PST |
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| Prof Pate | 07 Oct 2019 2:17 a.m. PST |
Again thanks. I was going down the wrong translation route earlier. I am comfortable with 'mentioned in Divisional Order of the Day' as translation to British military speak. All best John |
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