"Warsaw Pact mortars?" Topic

As per the heading .

Which mortars were in use among the Warsaw Pact forces?

At what levels?

Were light mortars in use by WarPact forces, or did they use only médium (82mm) and heavy (120mm) mortars?

Did anyone else , apart from the soviets and the Hungarians , use the Vasilek?

And BTW , how would you rate the Vasilek mortar "as equivalent to "X" number of médium mortars"? . Two ,Three? . As a heavy mortar?

Thank you in advance .

I can not say for all the countries of the Warsaw Pact.
But in the USSR there was a period of excessive enthusiasm for missile weapons, when the role of light and medium mortars was greatly neglected, new developments were not conducted. The war in Afghanistan quickly got rid of these illusions)))

As a light mortar in the army of the USSR and Russia, the 30-mm automatic grenade launcher AGS-17 Flame and its modifications are used.

According to Soviet data, the Vasilek (knapweed) mortar was to replace four mortars of a traditional design.

A couple of links to resources that talk about Soviet mortars. Alas, in Russian. Use Google translator for reading.

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Each MR Bn had a battery of 8 x 120mm or Vailjek mortars, all carried in or towed by GAZ-66

A start for you!

Tally Ho!

Depends which period you are looking at, but the 120 was fairly ubiquitous. Back in the 60s and 70s, some 82s. There were also artillery type mortars (160mm and above).

They even had a 240mm mortar ! Here's what my USSR/WP book says, and what I remember.

82mm
120mm
160mm
240mm

Then he began to look like this:

Nice pics ! Big Guns !!!!

2S4 Tyulpan – employed in specialist Heavy Artillery Brigades.

Speaking of mortars – I've been working my way through Brixmis reports from the 60's and 70's which are available on line. There is one mention in a 1972 report of a "Battalion of 120mm" mortars. Now the MR regiments didn't have a mortar battalion, so could this have come from the Div artillery regiment ?

I have photos of Poles using Vasileks

120mms also towed by MTLBs – 6 per battery, according to my sources.

Some were even included in the recon units, at the sharp end.

The regular structure of the Russian motorized rifle battalion (on BMP). Almost completely repeats the structure of the battalion of the late USSR:

• Personnel: 462 fighters;
• BMP-2 – 37 units;
• BMP-2K – 2 units;
• Automatic mortar "Cornflower" 2B9; 2B9M (AM 82mm) – 3 pieces;
• Mortar 82 mm – 6 pcs.;
• Automatic easel grenade launcher (AGS-17) – 6 pcs.;
• Truck: 42 units.

The regular structure of the Russian motorized rifle battalion (on BTR).

• Personnel: 539 fighters;
• BTR – 43 units;
• Automatic mortar "Cornflower" 2B9, 2B9M – AM 82mm – 3 pieces;
• Mortar 82 mm – 6 pcs.;
• ATGM "F" (anti-tank missile system "Fagot" 9K111 – 6 pieces;
• ATGM "M" (anti-tank missile system "Metis" 9K115) – 9 pieces;
• Trucks: 42 units.

The regular structure of the Russian mortar battery of a motorized rifle battalion.

One of the options is with 82 mm mortars:

One of the options is with 120 mm mortars:

• Battery management. The commander, his deputy for work with personnel (The officer-educator – once upon a time they were called commissars), can fully serve as commander. Senior sergeant, orderly and driver.
• A platoon of control with a reconnaissance and communications unit.
• Two firing platoons, each of which is equipped with four 120-mm mortars.

The mortar battery consists of 66 people. It has four radio stations, a cable (4 thousand meters), mortars in the amount of 8 pieces and trucks – 8 pieces.

Sometimes the battalion includes a self-propelled battery of mortar "Nona". The division is equipped with two platoons, each of which has a Nona-S installation in an amount of 4 guns.

Here is a presentation for the military department of a civilian university, where many staff structures of the Russian army are listed:
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Great intel !

The 30mm AGS-17s are very interesting to me as an alternative to the 60mm or 82mm.

The 2S9 automatic mortar is also really impressive. I think the US military is looking at that one.

Pretty sure 120mm tubes are about the same everywhere, though.

Bigger than that, the US likes to use rockets, since it's not like a single person can lift one of those 240mm shells.

AGS-17 uses the same ammunition used in standard small-barreled grenade launchers for small arms. Very comfortably.

Missiles in the Russian troops are more than enough – the same RPG-7 and analogues, RPO-A Shmel, and various portable complexes of anti-tank missiles (which also have conventional high-explosive charges).

You no longer need to manually charge 240 mm shells – on the self-propelled version, the loading is automatic.

In my artillery unit we had a battery of 160 mm M-160s,

later replaced by BM-21 "Grad"
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Czechoslovak Army have retired all of their mortars by late 1960s and early 1970s (only 82mm vz. 52 were left in airborne units) as part of wider artillery reduction plan from the early 1960s, with reasoning that they were not useful anymore on nuclear battlefield.

Once conventional warfare become part of planning again in second half of 1970s the army started to boost artillery units again. This led to interesting organization such as motorized rifle battalions which got platoon of two RM-51 rocket launchers.

120mm mortar vz. 82 was introduced in 1986.