"Vaping at the Con?" Topic

Should vaping be banned at game conventions and shows? Are you concerned about secondhand vape?

Yes, and yes. It is banned in public spaces under Florida law.

I will leave this to larger, and better informed, brains.

I had once toyed with using generic vape generators to create scenic smoke as a dynamic scenic feature. It has become far too controversial to even consider anymore.

Yes, it should be banned everywhere.

I think it should be prohibited. I don't know if I am particularly concerned by the second hand smoke, but I am certainly annoyed by it.

Both of my sons got asthma from second hand smoke and my mother is currently in the end stages of both COPD and Congestive Heart Failure from 50 years of smoking so I'm a little biased.

If I walked up to someone and farted next to them everyone would be appalled and disgusted, but somehow it's people's right to smoke in public? I loved it when smoking indoors was banned in public, and now I have to deal with vaping because the laws are too slow to catch up? Next guy who sits next to me at a con and vapes, I'm going to start eating raw onions and mouth breathing at him.

I have a close friend who was a heavy smoker. He started vaping and was able to quite cigarettes. He no longer coughs and hacks and his general health is improving. And the vaping medium is water, so when he exhales, he exhales water vapor not smoke, and the vapor is odorless.

Lung cancer is caused by the smoke particles not the nicotine in cigarettes. Nicotine is a mood enhancer and, yes,is easy to get addicted to the high. .

But, other than that, the real problem is that the government(local, state, and federal) gets a ton of money from taxing cigarettes and only sales tax on vaping products.

Now, I have never smoked or vaped, so I have no dog in this fight. But, whenever you see this much hysteria over an issue, just follow the money.

Yes and yes. No good can come from putting that stuff in your lungs directly or second hand. The health hazards from vaping are going to start being revealed bit by bit over the coming years.

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Go with Limburger and Sardines. No need to be intrusive. Just stay upwind.

Smoke = Nope.

No and no.

Being in an office with a boss who was vaping, I definitely felt the effects of the nicotine she exhaled. Nicotine is the addictive substance and no one should risk addiction that way.

My father was a pioneer in gas chromatography and is very concerned that vaping volatilized organic compounds. Volatile organic compounds like paint fumes are an automatic red flag: avoid until proven safe.

No to smoke and vaping. I am not required to accommodate someone else's addiction, and either way, I don't want to either smell it or breathe it.

Do the smart thing for your family, your friends, your health and your wallet: quit. (If you need further incentive, take all the money you spend smoking/vaping and put it towards gaming!)

I don't know the science, but I'd prefer people did not. As for being odourless, not in the UK where they are often strongly 'flavoured'.

Yes they should be banned. BTW nicotine is a potent vasoconstrictor a long time ago we had a physician give some in an IV for a shocky patient & it worked. So smoking can constrict lots of blood vessels in like the heart, lungs, legs etc.

I would ban them because the vapor is annoying to a lot of people.

It's bad enough I know I'm breathing air other people have exhaled; I don't need to see it so clearly.

Well, if it covers up their offensive body odor, maybe, but on the whole, no thank you.

Yes and yes. There is no reason to allow it indoors.

It's generally the tar with all it's carcinogenic that cause lung (and other cancers.
But it's the nikotin that causes emphysema and COPD. So you're still getting that.

My dad died age 64, when I was 10 from COPD, and he'd been hooked up to oxygen tanks for years before that.

So sure you might not get cancer, but dying from COPD is only a hollow victory in the battle against cancer.

There are also reports of a new type of illness specially connected to vaping.

But sure you can vape and smoke, but then I can walk around swinging a longsword, and if you happen to walk into my sword and I cut of your face, well that's just second hand swording.

Ban it. They have no right to do that in a public place.

Ya, some derivative of vitamin E is causing a form of fatal lung disease. It's more associated with people who vape marijuana though.

Ban it. They can go outside, if necessary. I do not want to breathe that garbage. Thank you!

Yes and yes.

I find it strange that you have to tell people that they are introducing something that is causing offence and harm to other people which they can't see for themselves.

My Father died at 63 from Heart trouble which was partly caused by smoking, my Brother has a stint fitted when he was 44 due to smoking. Now these reports of deaths from Vaping is very concerning as is the video they keep showing of that poor guy in the Hospital coughing his lungs out caused by Vaping.

Everyday I see high school students (15 year old) Vaping on the way out of school and I get bombarded with Vaping Ads every time I look at the Guardian online. Its big money behind this but I don't see any action from the Greenies etc. Vaping is meant as a way of stopping smoking. not a new addiction.

Given the latest news, it should be totally banned, outright.

I can't even stand to be around people who smoke, since the residual smoke and nicotine still in their lungs after they've had a cigarette gets exhaled, and I get exposed to that.

It's a terrible, and nonsensical habit.

Never understood how inhaling nicotine and other questionable compounds was ever considered as a viable and less harmful alternative to smoking.
Let it be said that I do enjoy a good cigar now and then, but I do not consider myself a "smoker" unless you consider 3-5 times per year a habitual user.

All this talk of smoking does put me in a mood to sit outside on my deck and enjoy a cigar and glass of port.

This topic turns out to be quite timely. Here's today's news:

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Yes to both.

I look at vaping the same way I look at smoking, tattoos, and nose rings. I use to shake my head and ask why. Now I know. It's all about people seeking attention. They think they look cool; but everyone else knows how stupid they look.

I have a friend who almost died from vaping. His vape device broke down and he inhaled a lot of toxic crap that took him months to recover from.

No thanks.

Yea, the lung issue is a major one.

Another one being well covered up are the exploding vape devices, which tend to blow out peoples' teeth, and shatter jaws and other facial bones.

More than a few have had that happen, and have been well compensated for their troubles, assuming one can ever fully recover and be compensated for such horrific injuries, and subsequent facial repair surgeries following these incidents.

Apparently, the compensation agreements have tight non-disclosure agreements too.

I get where you are at, Oberlindes, and don't begrudge you and your freedom(s), as long as they don't intrude into my desire for clean air.

Still, knowing what we do now about the hazards of smoking and vaping, it is a wonder anyone does it.

Remember it was just a random idea by some Chinese guy who smoked too much and thought he would come up with a "better" alternative. It was just a hunch, no real research done, just cobble together something that would not have some of the bad chemicals in it.

So far the research says that it has fewer of the bad things from traditional tobacco use, but introduces equally bad chemicals caused by superheating flavouring, glycerine etc which are proven safe when eaten after being conventionally cooked, but can be very harmful if inhaled after being heavily oxidized at very high temperatures.

The general consensus is that getting particulate matter into your lungs is 99% bad in most cases. Even asthma inhalers cause a small amount of damage to the lungs, even if they save lives, it's on the notice, it's a known low risk situation, but vaping seems to exceed that dramatically.

Or to put it cynically, breathing has a chance of killing you, but so does not breathing …

Also yes to both. I was sooooo happy years ago when Florida became a clean air State. It is to the point that if either smoking or vaping is allowed, other than outside in a designated area, I will not be attending.

Same here in OH. As long as smoking of any type does not effect non-smokers, i.e. second hand smoke. Smokers should be able to do so. It's their life as long as they don't effect someone else. I personally never smoked or even tried it.

I'm amazed here when parked at stoplights, when vaper's exhale, and they emit this huge, dense cloud of smoke from their vehicles that modern day tank crews, and those on fast attack vessels would be envious of.

Seems to be quite similar to that of those emitted by these war vehicles to hide them, when in harms way.

Don't know how the drivers see out, when they do that, which is why I guess they do it when stopped.

Yes

Historians, etc., in the far future will probably look at us as total morons. Purposely using tobacco, eating large amounts of unhealthy/junk foods, drinking alcohol to excess, abusing drugs, etc. Like we wanted to hurry our own demise.

"there is no risk-free level of second-hand smoke."

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In Veterinary Medicine it has been documented that birds, cats & dogs in the houses where their owners smoke have higher incidences of respiratory distress. link

And what about vaping? Again, no direct research into the health effects of second and third hand vaping solution on pet health has been done, but according to the American Lung Association:

In 2009, the FDA conducted lab tests and found detectable levels of toxic cancer-causing chemicals, including an ingredient used in antifreeze, in two leading brands of e-cigarettes and 18 various cartridges. A 2014 study found that e-cigarettes with a higher voltage level have higher amounts of formaldehyde, a carcinogen. 

It's hard to imagine that inhaling substances like these or licking them off their fur could be completely risk free for pets.

By now you might be thinking, "I'll just smoke outside." While direct research into the effect that outdoor smoking has on pet health hasn't been performed, we can look at a 2004 study on infants and draw some conclusions. It found that smoking outside of the home helps but does not eliminate smoke exposure to babies. The infants of parents who smoked outdoors but not inside were still exposed to 5-7 times as much environmental tobacco smoke in comparison to the infants of nonsmokers. Similar results could be expected for pets.

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The canary has stopped singing in this cave.

A number of deaths have now been directly tied to vaping, and apparently 400+ people are currently hospitalized due to it.

Seems word is getting out of how bad it can be.

I found a vaping pen on the floor at a convention once. After a few puffs, I thought, 'hope the person that dropped this didn't have herpes.'

In Veterinary Medicine it has been documented that birds, cats & dogs in the houses where their owners smoke have higher incidences of respiratory distress.

Very true … some Vets recommend to pet owners that smoke to stop. My one friend's Mom did. But IIRC she died of COPD anyway. Her dog outlived her by 6-7 years.

I mean think about it … Who would have thought any product With nicotine would Not be harmful ?!?

Me,I wouldn't do it,and I wouldn't want anyone else to either.

Smoke or mist it's still particles, and nicotine is used as a pesticide.

yes

As I understand PA and NJ bans it in public places.

OH is the same … Thank the Gods !!!!!

yes and yes

YES!