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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian30 Aug 2019 11:50 a.m. PST

You were asked – TMP link

Favorite Sword & Sandal Movie?

And in the final round of voting:

27% said "Jason and the Argonauts"
26% said "Ben Hur (Charles Heston)"
16% said "Spartacus"

HMS Exeter30 Aug 2019 12:03 p.m. PST

What!? No Seventh Voyage of Sinbad?

Wackmole930 Aug 2019 1:03 p.m. PST

2nd for Seven voyages of Sinbad

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2019 1:30 p.m. PST

Anything with Caroline Munro!

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2019 3:05 p.m. PST

I still prefer the original 'Conan the Barbarian'!

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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2019 4:00 p.m. PST

The Sinbad films aren't "Sword and Sandal" movies. Neither really is Conan, though it comes close.

"Sword and Sandal" movies are set in Ancient Greece or Rome, or a setting contemporary to these as Ancient Egypt, Ancient Israel, Ancient Judah/Judea, Mesopotamia, etc., etc., sometimes with a mythological component. The Sinbad films and Conan are more correctly "Sword and Sorcery" fantasy movies. If you wanna vote for those, start a new poll!

HMS Exeter30 Aug 2019 5:28 p.m. PST

Sorry sparky. Sinbad wore sandals and carried a sword. Didn't know there was a rigid division of comparative sandalfication.

I'll pass on the additional poll. I think I've had more than enuf polls for a while.

Asteroid X30 Aug 2019 5:40 p.m. PST

I think Steve Reeves as Hercules would be in the top (IF it would have been included in the list …).

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Florida Tory31 Aug 2019 4:36 a.m. PST

It would seem like the defining characteristic according to Wikipedia is that they are Italian films:

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The article does not that some critics apply the term to non-Italian movies also, but apparently it does not include the true Hollywood epics like Ben Hur or Conan the Barbarian that inspired the genre.

But the list is quite broad, including Michael Strogoff. I've never seen the movie, but I would have classified it as a 19th century colonial film, since it is based on the Jules Verne novel.

It is an interesting line of reasoning.

Rick

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2019 11:51 a.m. PST

Sinbad wore sandals…

Au contraire. Sinbad wore boots:

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Great flick. I own the DVD. But I still like Jason & the Argonauts best.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2019 12:01 p.m. PST

The Wikipedia entry is somewhat confusing (not surprising— it is Wikipedia). Reading closely, it seems to call the overall category of Italian-made films "pepla," but presents sword-and-sandal as a subcategory involving the classical era and mythology, but that these films formed the large portion of the "pepla" genre. (As I said, it's a confusing entry, which probably reflects different "editors" opinions on the matter.) If you go down further in the article, it more narrowly defines the genre according to thematic elements, which are almost exactly as I describe it above. Since these formed the bulk of the "pepla" films, the terms quickly became synonymous, even when the films didn't follow the true thematic elements of the "sword-and-sandal" film.

Grelber04 Sep 2019 8:38 p.m. PST

Many of the Italian films look like the props master borrowed a copy of Heinrich Schliemann's or Sir Arthur Evans' books. Having made their props and costumes based on these, they then had to figure out how the characters will use them. This doesn't always jibe with what a historian might say but then the historian sits around his library, writing away, and never gets into the practical issue of just how the whatever it is was actually used.

Grelber

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