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UshCha22 Aug 2019 9:34 a.m. PST

Threshers comment on missing 1/144 minis covers the AT Sagger infantry deployment.

On that basis I looked up what a team was and realized its 3 men, two carry missiles and the senior operator carries the sight. Sensible since an operator needs lots of training so deploying singles is daft (despite of course the mini manufacturers doing them as just a pair of blokes) but their again the same manufactures struggle with the term scale.

So what should a set on minis look like with the missiles deployed? The missiles will be up to 30m apart and the senior with the sight will be roughly in the middle. Where would the other two be? Behind the missile would be daft. Next to the missile not ideal as it may be the target for incoming. I guess 3m either side of the Senior operator may be reasonable. Has anybody got any actual data on how they deployed once the missiles were set up on there suitcase firing ramps? certainly the operator can be in a trench but what about the other two?

Ps the operator could have 4 missiles to be set off one at a time but by the 4th it may not be a nice place to be depending who is shooting back and from what range.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Aug 2019 9:39 a.m. PST

Here's a bit:

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Fingerspitzengefuhl22 Aug 2019 9:54 a.m. PST
dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP22 Aug 2019 9:58 a.m. PST

Remember the further off bore you are from the missile the more difficult it is to hit the target, even a stationary one. If the target is moving diagonally, not straight at you, it's worse. The Sagger is a manually operated joystick guided missile.

UshCha22 Aug 2019 10:03 a.m. PST

Extra Crispy, very useful, but interestingly (but a bit off topic) no mention of the AT3D

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You are not My friend. :-) NOW not only do I need a gunner and two missiles, I now need 2 RPG 7 men to match. Or just men carrying the suitcases (very simple) but that would look daft when deployed. As for the SPG-9 until now a never heard of weapon, that makes it a LOT of troops to model.

emckinney22 Aug 2019 11:17 a.m. PST

I suspect that this is just plagiarized from Zaloga, but it makes sense:

"Typically, a Sagger team consisted of two or more commonly three men, one acting as the guidance-control operator and the others serving to transport and set up the missiles. This plate shows two 9M14 missiles connected to a single 9S415 joystick control unit, although up to four could be arranged. It was uncommon, however, to see that many missiles linked up, as after one or two missile shots it was likely that the Sagger team would have to move position as they attracted incoming fire from alerted enemy armour and infantry. The operator here mans a small trench, while a second soldier from the team occupies a slit trench nearby; once the missiles were set up, other members of the team would act as observers to identify targets but would also serve to protect the operator from infantry threats."

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(You'll need to scroll down.)

This image is staged, but it does have the entire team very close together. link

Major Mike22 Aug 2019 2:03 p.m. PST

Just a little off trend, but, the AT-3 has been making an appearance for the last couple of years in Syria.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Aug 2019 3:39 p.m. PST

@UshCha:

I make my living by selling miniatures. You don't get rich selling *fewer* soldiers….

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse23 Aug 2019 6:55 a.m. PST

EC +1 thumbs up

The Sagger is a manually operated joystick guided missile.
Yes, and like all missiles with that type of system … small arms, mortar, etc., fire could cause the gunner to "flinch". And probably cause the missile not to hit the target. Hence the tactic of "Sagger Watch" was first implemented by the IDF, IIRC.

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