"How to contact Navwar?" Topic

Hello, I would like to contact to a Navwar manufacture to ask about his ships at scale 1/1200 but I dont find any reference about his email. Could you help me?

Thank you in advance!

Julian

By post or telephone. No email.

It is not very practical, isn't it?

Of course it's practical! How do you think we communicated before the Internet?

Well you have these things called paper and pens, and envelopes and postage stamps….

I do not doubt that Navwar does not fulfill its mission through paper, pen … as you say. My opinion in this regard is that it seems impractical for a potential foreign customer. You have locked yourself in a position about it until someone even older than you arrives and tells you that dont use paper and pen … that you have to use canvas and ink and not to use postal service, you have to use hawks or crows (which are now in fashion).

When someone tells you something about how to improve the service, it is because it may be more comfortable for both parts. A person when he wants to place an order does not want to be eternalized with postal message. And even more when I can't see the genre they sell since there are no photographs on their website.
I would need a postal message to ask them some photo about the ships I want, then they have to sent me other postal with print photos or maybe a a painted picture?
Then, if I agree with the quality of the ship I sent a second postal message to do the order or check an order by his website. Once I do that, I dont have any way to contact them to ask the proces of my order, if the parcel has tracking number….
Sorry but I think we are misinterpreting a service according to a fluid communication with being of a conservative profile.

You assume he WANTS to improve service.

Now everything is clear, thanks for the clear answer :)

I was thrilled when he got the website, and that was only about fifteen years ago I think, so we can´t expect too much too soon. :D
Actually, I´m also a foreign customer as well, and I can say Tony´s customer service is outstanding and he gets his stuff processed and sent out faster than most companies with their newfangled online ordering. I guess that´s because he doesn´t have to answer email. :)

"It's not just for money alone that one spends a lifetime building up a business…. It's to preserve a way of life that one knew and loved. No, I can't see my way to selling out to the new vested interests, Mr. Jorkin. I'll have to be loyal to the old ways and die out with them if needs must."

S. Fezziwig

Not the worst guide on how to live a centered, contented life, if put to it.

It's been some years, but I once submitted an order and, as has been noted in here many times, it worked out fine.

As I am oft wont to observe, "life is nothing but trade offs."

I understand Tony's posture and I respect. I just wanted to know how I can see the quality of your models of Danish ships from the Napoleonic era in 1/1200 scale. I don't usually shop blindly.

There´s the rub, unfortunately. I know in our modern times one certainly expects to see the goods before buying, but I think the only way is to google and see what other customers have posted in their blogs.
It´s not the easiest way to do business, but that´s the way he wants it so what can you do? Perhaps make a new post requesting pictures and opinions, there´s a lot of AoS folks around here who could probably help you out. I can only speak about his pre-dreadnought and WWI stuff, which is generally good, occasionally brilliant and rarely awful.

If you Google Navwar 1200 in Images, there are a fair few items that pop up. While not perfect, and you'll have to wade through the ancients ships, there are some pictures from out of date eBay lots that could prove useful.

There are lots of pics of finished models on Google, but they aren't really helpful gauging the bare metal original.

In the alternative, float a test order. Order a few bucks worth of ships and get your answer, one way or the other.

That's the only way to REALLY nail down an answer to the question.

BTW, I LOOOOVE their 1200 scale ACWs. Not as shnazzy as Langton, but more robust and evocative. Just my tuppence.

I have an alternative to supply the Danish ships. Still, thanks for the tips.

By the way, as this is a naval thread and the following has been mentioned: "…I know in our modern times one certainly expects to see the goods before buying…"
I would like to share an anecdote that passed through the 19th century in the Spanish Navy (not times so modern)

The story is true and happened in the Spanish army in the 19th century, I have translated the text into English.
The original text is on the page: TODO A BABOR. link

Thus says the article:

Who has not happened to have bought something online and has received a deception? It may seem like a very current problem, in fact it is difficult to find an event that has not had a precedent in history and I fear this case is no exception.

By 1815 the situation in Spain after the end of the Napoleonic wars and the independence of the colonies of America, was appalling. If the invasion and territorial losses were not enough, now we had to add the march of the Frenchmen because of absolutist repression.

In this context, it was decided to acquire new naval units abroad to replace the losses caused by such troubled period. For this reason, a secret agreement was made with the Russian Empire in which 4 ships of the line of 74 canyons and 8 frigates of 40 guns were ordered.

Why Russia and why in secret? The truth is that Britain had never tolerated a rearmament of the Real Armada that do altered the balance of forces, the result of the Napoleonic wars, in which the Royal Navy was the most powerful navy in the world.

France was mired in a monarchical counterrevolution, but they would not have lost the position as the second strongest fleet. Portugal was allied with the English and still did not forgive the Franco-Spanish invasion of 1801.

The Danish navy was practically only made up of galleys and was swept by Lord Nelson. Austria's fleet was practically insignificant, Sweden's was still licking the wounds of the Great War of North 1721 and Prussia had no army.

Therefore, only Russia had a first-order fleet and could enter into a negotiation as a former ally against Napoleon and a member of the Vienna Congress.

The agreement known as the Treaty of Madrid of 1817, stipulated that Russia would yield 5 ships and 3 frigates from its Baltic fleet. In the end, this figure was because Russia did not have enough frigates.

Now, it is time to talk about the pecuniary issue, Spain would pay 13,600,000 rubles, of which 400,000 pounds would come from the amount that Britain granted to Spain for banning the slave trade.

When Spain was without sufficient capacity to pay the rest, the 2,605,000 francs that France had to pay as compensation for the Napoleonic invasion would be used. Plus the payment divided into 12 payments of 177,000 pounds sterling on behalf of Spain.

The ships in question were the Tryoch Svyatitelev and the Neptunus, belonging to the Tryoch Svyatitelev class (three saints) that were renamed Velasco and Fernando VIII.

The remaining ships were Dreszden, Lybek and Nord-Adler, all belonging to the Selafail class and renamed Alejando I, Numancia and Espana.

Once the preparations were made, Rear Admiral Antón Vasilievich von Muller was appointed to take the ships to Spain. Although it fulfilled its mission, in 1818 (date of the release) the state of the ships was appalling and by 1823, only 5 years after their delivery they had to be scrapped by unusable.

Many army officers protested and tried to refuse to accept those ships, because according to the treaty the ships had to be in perfect condition. But von Muller disregarded and, moreover, received the commission of the order of Carlos III from the king for his services. That greatly enraged the shipyards of Cádiz, because with an impeccable naval tradition, they were now deprived of their trade.

Here is the great scam, the Russians sold the most useless and expendable ships as if they were new; what is said in my land: "a business as round as a dice".

I hope you like it and greetings!

Julian

Your question made me smile. :-). I recently ordered from Navwar:
- I found what I wanted on the site.
- I filled out the online order form.
- I realized that I needed a printer.
- I connected to a printer.
- I printed the form.
- I filled in my details.
- I found a cheque book and wrote my first cheque for three years.
- I found an envelope, and a stamp.
- I posted the letter.
It reminded me of the 1980s and made me appreciate the convenience we now take for granted. :-) It actually took less time for Navwar to send me my order than it took me to sort out printing and posting the form. ;-)

I didn't know the story about the Russian ships bought by the Spanish fleet. Thank you for sharing it. It's sad that a country that was building such fine ships until the 1790s wasn't able to build its own ships by the 1820s.

AdmiralHawke

It must be thought that there are many factors that influenced this to be possible, Spain was in a process of colonial disintegration, a large part of our shipyards were in the colonies, so we lost key production points of line ships. On the other hand, Spain went through a terrible process throughout the 19th century.

It's sad … but it's history. :)