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MiniPigs27 Jul 2019 7:38 a.m. PST

In general or someone who changes it to sound more 'Merican?


How would you feel about someone who changes their name but constantly insinuates other people are hiding something?

Cerdic27 Jul 2019 8:19 a.m. PST

I'm always dubious about people who are size-ist about animals….

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 8:43 a.m. PST

My fund of trust is generally limited, but someone living in the US who changes the name to something from the British Isles and doesn't make a secret of it is engaging in assimilation, not deception. And sometimes there really are professional reasons. The late mystery writer Jane Haddam would have had lower sales as Orania Papazoglou, if only because she would have been harder to google.

The critical point is motive and deceit. If someone is trying to evade responsibility for past actions, or claiming something they have no right to--a family connection, say, or a noble participle--that's not the same as thinking Tony Curtis would look better on the theater marquis than Bernie Schwartz.

Oh. And pretty much everyone is hiding something. Why is this person bringing it up? And is there some particular secret?

Personal logo Zeelow Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 8:53 a.m. PST


Personal logo PaulCollins Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 8:56 a.m. PST

I never distrusted Marrion Morrison

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 9:08 a.m. PST

Well, I changed mine…

Roderick Robertson Fezian27 Jul 2019 9:12 a.m. PST

I would love to think that in these enlightened times people would no longer need to change their name to "assimilate". That whatever their name, whether from Britain, Ghana, Viet Nam or the Navaho Nation, we would just say "how do you pronounce that?"

But then, I'd like to have a flying unicorn, too.

skipper John Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 9:17 a.m. PST

How does it go? A rose is a rose….

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 10:44 a.m. PST

I was given "Russell" at birth --then called "Rusty' my whole childhood --now "Russ???"
Is that the same ??

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 11:03 a.m. PST

Where (or when) are these enlightened times, Roderick? and can I get there with a standard-issue time machine, or do I need a Paratime Police cross-timelines model? All I seem to find are old bigotries swapped out for new and more fashionable ones. A longer answer is inappropriate to the forum.

Anyway, it's hard to get a flying unicorn permit in a lot of jurisdictions.

HMS Exeter27 Jul 2019 11:53 a.m. PST

Don't judge a book by its' cover. It's the person that matters, not the moniker.

Now, if someone was to change their name more than once, or go from Allan Barnes to Rimfire Bucketsnaffer, I'd probably be a bit more cautious.

Stryderg27 Jul 2019 11:55 a.m. PST

Around here, you can get a permit for a flying unicorn, but you cannot get a permit to either ride or feed it.

To the point, I think intent has a lot to do with it. I can trust an actor that changes his name, at least as much as anyone can trust a professional liar. (That's not an attack on actors, its an observation that actors typically portray emotions that they are not actually feeling.)

I can't trust a politician that changes his name simply to garner votes. Of course, I typically don't trust politicians anyway.

I can probably trust a member of TMP that changes his name to something like "MiniPigs", at least as much as I trust any other member of TMP. The intent isn't to deceive, unless you are hiding something???

MiniPigs27 Jul 2019 12:15 p.m. PST

MiniPigs is just a nickname, my real name is Miniature Pigurines

Stryderg27 Jul 2019 1:22 p.m. PST


Zephyr127 Jul 2019 2:23 p.m. PST

"Can you trust someone who changes their name? (…) or someone who changes it to sound more 'Merican?"

I always hang up on those overseas boiler room calls purporting to be from "Microsoft Support"…

von Schwartz27 Jul 2019 3:22 p.m. PST

Is that like changing your name to "Latrine" because your original last name was "Shi**house"? (smile)

BTW Extra Crsipy, what was your name before? "Original"

sillypoint27 Jul 2019 4:12 p.m. PST

So your saying I can't trust my wife?
Michael Caine…Sting…Elton John…😜😁😜

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 4:37 p.m. PST

You didn't always get a choice

Like those Germans at Ellis Island who were told "Mr. Schwartz, your new name is black"

When my maternal grandfather landed at Montreal, age 16 and not speaking either English or French, he filled out the Immigration form wrong and his last name became the name of the village he was born in – he never did correct it, as he figured if the Canadian government issued him that name, he should use it!

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2019 7:38 p.m. PST

Most women I know change their name when they get married.

Andoreth28 Jul 2019 1:46 a.m. PST

Well if the British Royal family thought that it was acceptable to please their subjects (Saxe Coberg Gotha to Windsor) then it is okay with me.

Jeffers28 Jul 2019 7:11 a.m. PST

Dammit! I thought nobody would guess my real name is Rimfire Bucketsnaffer! Now I will have to give up my claim to your first born child…

Tony S28 Jul 2019 9:47 a.m. PST

My branch of the Hugenot family was so bloody stubborn that when my ancestors fled France to avoid, well, dying or becoming Catholic, they refused to Anglicize their names. The weaker willed became "Staples", but for generations we have kept our "impossible to initially spell and pronounce for anyone with an English mother tongue" name. Later we promptly left for Canada after some misunderstandings in Scotland.

My uncle in Halifax once noticed a UK advertising manager with our last name in a Penthouse magazine (the embarrassing thing was not that he was looking at a Penthouse magazine, but rather that he read the name in the fine print in the masthead instead of looking at the nekkid women) and for a lark contacted him. Turns out that it seems everyone with my last name is indeed related from one stubborn bastard from France.

14Bore28 Jul 2019 10:29 a.m. PST

Many immigrants especially around WWI changed spelling from Germanic names, my family name was Americanized.

von Schwartz28 Jul 2019 4:27 p.m. PST

I'm thinking about changing my name, How about this? "Buck Schott"? Pretty cool huh?

mjkerner28 Jul 2019 8:17 p.m. PST

Going into porn, Buck?

Jeffers29 Jul 2019 6:56 a.m. PST

My Huguenot ancestors name changed over the years from Drouet to Druiett. Typical of my family: rather than anglicise they just made it harder to spell.

von Schwartz29 Jul 2019 4:16 p.m. PST

Going into porn, Buck?
Naw, that's my brother, "Buck Naked"

Legion 430 Jul 2019 6:43 a.m. PST

It's classified …

HMS Exeter30 Jul 2019 8:53 a.m. PST


@63 with no kids. I think you wuz gonna come up empty on that one anyway.


So, I guess you started out 14Bauer?

wrgmr130 Jul 2019 9:59 p.m. PST

I changed my last name to my mothers maiden name. My father left when I was 12, never saw him again. He was abusive mentally, physically and emotionally. I didn't want to carry his name. Good riddance.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Jul 2019 6:38 p.m. PST

My last name, from Mennonite immigrants in the 18th Century, was transliterated into an English spelling. People in the English speaking world who spell it the German way don't pronounce it properly anymore. It's even worse in Spanish and French (and I assume other Latinate language) speaking countries that don't pronounce the Teutonic initial H you can't even transliterate it.

Lacking a grave and aigu in English, we tried transliterating our daughter's first name, so people would pronounce it correctly. That didn't work.

Pronunciation across languages is horrible in general. Proper names are the worst.

One of my kids' school friends went by her first name at school and her middle name (the same as her mother's) at home and now goes exclusively by her middle name.

My wife wasn't given a middle name … they couldn't afford one when she was born. Her maiden name is now her middle name. It's the same northern European old world thing my mother did. Strange middle name if you can pronounce it – after post WWII Communist reoccupation of their homeland, my grandfather never had time to find out J isn't a vowel in English before he immigrated to the US.

My first name is the short form of another name. Except that is not my name from my birth certificate, despite people's instance to "correct" it in documentation by using my "proper" name, not the shortened nickname. We're skipping the Cyrillic on my baptism certificate.

Most people at work, with good reason, just call me Bleeped text.

… what was the question?

von Schwartz01 Aug 2019 1:15 p.m. PST

I forget, what was it you were asking I fell asleep after the second paragraph.

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