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Van Damme02 Jul 2019 11:05 a.m. PST

Always assumed the colour of the edge of the shabraque was a yellow/orange colour? Is this correct or is it a gold lace colour?

Regards

Porthos02 Jul 2019 12:32 p.m. PST

Since an ADC is an officer (often a colonel) I would expect gold, not yellow. The site for the uniformsof the Hundred Days has a special part for staff officers:

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Hope this helps.

Widowson02 Jul 2019 12:40 p.m. PST

Generally an ADC wears his usual uniform, unless he's ADC to Murat or Berthier or some other marshal or the emperor and is issued a special uniform.

And that means he's generally riding his usual horse with its usual tack and shabraque.

So if the ADC is a line infantry colonel, I'd expect the blue square shabraque with gold braid on the shabraque and pistol covers. If he happens to be a light infantry colonel, the same with silver braid.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2019 1:01 p.m. PST

There was a special uniform for ordinary ADCs. There were some variations but it was basically blue with a gold trim to everything including the shabraque. The 100 Days site is a good start point.

Van Damme02 Jul 2019 1:10 p.m. PST

Thanks, the 100 day site is one of my frequent sources of information. Must be my eyesight, but to me it looked like a yellow instead of a gold colour. Never saw a real shabraque in a museum. So I painted them all yellow, time to practice my nmm skills and start repainting these ADC`s shbraques.
Thanks for the advice

Widowson02 Jul 2019 1:13 p.m. PST

I would expect an officer to have gold or silver trim on his shabraque.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2019 11:38 a.m. PST

I use gold for the reasons above – officer and attached to the brass so gold makes sense

dibble03 Jul 2019 6:53 p.m. PST

Yes, I agree. Gold trim for the shabraque.

For all that Cent Jours is meant to update their information, I had a cursory look to see if they have corrected their most glaring mistake, but I see they still haven't corrected the 95th bugler.

SHaT198408 Jul 2019 5:18 a.m. PST

In reply,


>>Generally an ADC wears his usual uniform, unless he's ADC to Murat or Berthier or some other marshal or the emperor and is issued a special uniform.

Actually, unless a temporary upgrade, full time ADC's had specific uniforms and attributes assigned. Therefore, these 'should' be more common on your 'command' bases (I use a real 1:1 command on mine).

>>And that means he's generally riding his usual horse with its usual tack and shabraque.
As above, also a designated design, most prominent a light horse officers schabraque in french blue. The 'lace' is gold here.

>>So if the ADC is a line infantry colonel, I'd expect the blue square shabraque with gold braid on the shabraque and pistol covers. If he happens to be a light infantry colonel, the same with silver braid.

For a Colonel to be an ADC you'd (most likely) have to depict a Marshal in charge. Most ADCs were Sous/ Lieutenant and Capitaines. These are what your GDV and GBD would have.

See Bucquoy for variety.
regards
dave

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