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tomrommel102 Jul 2019 6:03 a.m. PST

Hello
I started collecting th.e new US Marine figures from Gringo 40 and Empress. I would need the ORBAT of a Battalion / Company for the 1967/68 timeframe.
Can anyone point me in the right direction. My google search left me a blank

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jul 2019 6:40 a.m. PST

Start here:

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VCarter Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2019 10:26 a.m. PST

Even if you don't play Force on force, below is a link for A PDF of Ambush Valley their Vietnam supplement. Lots of good organization info at the platoon/squad level.


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Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jul 2019 1:34 p.m. PST

Also, keep in mind, *especially* in Vietnam, official TO&E and actual usage were very different. My father (army) said he usually had as many M60s as he could lay his hands on…

khanscom02 Jul 2019 6:29 p.m. PST

Try to locate Fleet Marine Force Manuals for the period in question. In the early '70s these could be found at my college library (it was a Government Documents Depository); interesting that the comparable Army manuals were listed as "Restricted", but there was no such classification for the Marine manuals.

tomrommel102 Jul 2019 9:29 p.m. PST

thanks for the help!

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP04 Jul 2019 11:18 a.m. PST

Somewhat along similar line of question.
What would a genetic marine platoon look like. Don't need official TO&E but based on your knowledge.
How many M60s M79s etc.
Would the platoon weapons distribution differ greatly from city fighting like Hue vs country and jungle fighting?

Wolfhag04 Jul 2019 7:51 p.m. PST

The Marines always seemed to have more weapons, ammo and, supply when Army and Air Force units were in the area.

Wolfhag

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP04 Jul 2019 10:55 p.m. PST

So we're talking two M60s in a 10-12 man squad?

Joe Legan05 Jul 2019 6:51 a.m. PST

Second the suggestion about the force on force scenario books as a source for to & es. They are great from company level down and decent above that. Their Vietnam one is the best of the bunch

Wolfhag05 Jul 2019 1:24 p.m. PST

I think there were various configurations. In 1973 my unit had our Squad Leader had the only M79 in the squad. We had 3x fire teams of 4x men each. One man in the fire team as the "Automatic Rifleman" and would most likely have a bipod and the only one to use autofire (yea, right).

Weapons platoon (3-4 M60's) would supply the mg, 3.5" rocket launcher or flamethrower as needed. The LT or Platoon Sergeant would act as the FO for the 2x 60mm mortars in Weapons Platoon. The Company Commander would supervise the units from Battalion Weapons Company (81mm mortars, 106mm RR on a Mech Mule). Anything higher up would normally involve an ANGLICO attachment.

You could have 2x M60's attached to a squad if you needed to.

I'm not sure about Hue as the Marines were no ready for urban combat. They were severely short of grenades. I have seen pictures of a Mech Mule firing a 106mm RR down a street.

ONTOS at Hue:
YouTube link
Hue:
YouTube link

Wolfhag

khanscom06 Jul 2019 8:15 a.m. PST

"So we're talking two M60s in a 10-12 man squad?"

From FMFM 6-5 "Marine Rifle Squad" dated 12 March 1969:

"The rifle squad is divided into three fire teams, each of which is built around an automatic weapon and controlled by a fire team leader. In addition to these three maneuver elements, the squad included a grenadier armed with a 40mm grenade launcher."

Illustrations show the squad leader (sgt)as an automatic rifleman armed with M-14 with bipod and hinged buttplate, and bayonet. Grenadier (l/cpl) is armed with 40mm M-79, M-1911, and knife. Each fire team has a team leader (cpl) armed with M-14 and bayonet, automatic rifleman (l/cpl) armed as the squad leader, and two riflemen (pvt or pfc) armed as the team leader-- in all 14 men.

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