"Notes for 30th Anniversary of TianAnMen Incident" Topic
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Tango01 | 05 Jun 2019 4:38 p.m. PST |
"Many socialist states collapsed in the late 80s and early 90s, succumbed to pressure and sabotage from hostile bourgeois states, torn apart, cannibalised over night, and became vassals of the global neo-liberal order, dooming entire populations to poverty and misery: Yugoslavia, USSR, GDR, etc. The same fate was planned for China, but the Communist Party was able to defeat the counter-revolution, and the country has remained independent to this day. Deng XiaoPing was ill by 1989, and his imminent exit from office was soon to create a power vacuum. The CIA already had their man inside the party, Zhao Ziyang, who, if the student protests had spread and succeeded, would have taken power, opened the doors to imperialist domination, and ended Chinese socialist sovereignty…" Main page link Amicalement Armand
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William Warner | 05 Jun 2019 5:15 p.m. PST |
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Mad Guru | 05 Jun 2019 6:42 p.m. PST |
Pure CCP propaganda, and almost all lies. I was there, with my future wife, who at the time was a senior at a university in Beijing. At least hundreds and possibly thousands of people were killed in the Square by the PLA. Those people weren't all students but a mix of students and citizens from Beijing and surrounding areas who came to support them, from a variety of backgrounds, including everything from white-collar professionals to the 1989 PRC equivalent of motorcycle gangs. I won't get into refuting further details on that site's long list of lies. Just sad and somewhat infuriating to read this right after the anniversary. Years later in the US, I asked my wife if we should buy a Taiwanese flag to fly every June 4th, in commemoration, but she thought the symbol was too far removed from the incident, so I started flying the Gadsden "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flag on that day each year. She says no one else who sees it knows why I fly it, I say our kids (who have all spent time in China and speak decent Chinese) and I know why, and that's enough. In the 1990s former right-wing authoritarian states in East Asia such as South Korea and Taiwan transitioned to functional democracies. An important part of that process was that along the way their governments officially acknowledged and apologized for various oppressive incidents during which their police and armed forces beat, tortured and/or killed often peaceful and unarmed opponents. Unfortunately for the PRC itself, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen in China. |
Dn Jackson | 05 Jun 2019 10:10 p.m. PST |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What drivel. |
pzivh43 | 06 Jun 2019 5:25 a.m. PST |
Fake News at its finest (which is the worst)! |
Tango01 | 06 Jun 2019 11:58 a.m. PST |
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gregmita2 | 07 Jun 2019 11:45 a.m. PST |
"Anti-imperialist tool" on the title says it all. As has been said many times, it's easier to make people believe a big lie than a little lie. I've seen the claim that there are no photos/videos of the massacre many times online. However, even the most cursory search can find you photos of railings and cars crushed by tanks, bleeding people carried by tricycles, etc. There are also videos with the noise of intense gun fire in the background. Who do these massacre deniers think were firing? The students or the citizens of Beijing? Also, Zhao Ziyang as a CIA agent? Even the CCP wasn't that brazen with their claims. Zhao was responsible for the "Sichuan experiment" that was the basis for Deng's market reforms. He was more than anyone else responsible for China's later economic growth. |
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