"Firearms Board added" Topic

You voted for it – TMP link – and we have a new board for the discussion of firearms.

Whoot, Whoot!
I mean…bang, bang!
Yeah, that should cover it.

Sounds good. Thanks!

I'm in!

Actually, the overwhelming majority voted not to have it. I have noticed that the required number of "Yes" votes for a new board seems to fluctuate.

This post from a couple of months ago says 50 "yes" votes are needed for a poll to get its own board.

TMP link

In this poll, 21 people said they would support it, which was 28% of the voters. That, however, was insufficient. The firearms poll also had 21 supporters weighing in at 18% of the voters, and that gets it own board.

So, how do votes actually relate to the formation of new boards? As the owner, you can do what you want, and I accept that. I would respect the process more if you simply said that instead of going through the charade of polls.

That's interesting. Sure looks like the Editor should explain.

The really nice thing about it is no one will force you to go there.

I've lowered the threshold recently to 20 votes. If 20 people will support a board, it should be healthy.

Where is it so I can turn it off?

OK. Thanks for the reply.

Would it make more sense to have a wargames related firearms board here and separate other firearms talk to the TMP Plus section?

"Would it make more sense to have a wargames related firearms board here and separate other firearms talk to the TMP Plus section?"

I think having this section public at any point is the waving a flag for groups I do not support or condone. the mere presence of such a forum means I will not ever subsidize this website with money, even though I recently contemplated ponying up. This has changed my mind.

I don't want any association with a back room no matter how hidden.

Are the supporters of the USA's current gun laws to be given free rein on the new board or are there to be some restrictions? If it is the former, I suspect that you will find a lot of folk turning off TMP altogether. If it is the latter, what are the restrictions to be? Can Bill please enlighten us.

Another board eliminated from home page.

There seems to be some unintended irony here.

The board was proposed so that people who were offended by discussion of guns could 'turn off' that part of TMP.

And now some of those same people are offended because the board exists? It only exists because of you.

why is it in the wargaming section then, rather than TMP Plus where other such topics go?

>And now some of those same people are offended because the board exists? It only exists because of you.

No, we were offended by the other method as well, but my association with its presence by third parties visiting the site is not something I can control.

If one goes to a bar and are there ranting in the backroom, anyone who knows that they are there is going to associate you with it, even if you don't. Would you go into the any bar if you knew were holding meetings in the backroom sometime?

I have no real gripe with gun enthusiasts who want to talk about gun characteristics as they might function in a wargame, but I don't want to be associated with gun discussions of a political nature such as laws or rights. I don't give money to the NRA, and I don't want to even give a tacit note of approval by ignoring incendiary sorts of gun enthusiasts, even if they are in the back room, its still where a new 13 year old mini enthusiast might encounter them or worse his mother.

why is it in the wargaming section then, rather than TMP Plus where other such topics go?

Because firearms are part of military science, which is 'on topic' for a wargaming forum.

So, what form of censorship are you proposing, Aethelflaeda?

and Skipper John's Conceal Carry License is on topic as military science?

Anyway, I'm done. This is pointless and defies logic. I'll leave you to it

Bill, to be fair for the gun haters have a sword board so they feel better.

Gun haters? Simplistic generalization. Perhaps wargamers just come here to read about … um, wargaming.

I enjoy roses. Shall I post about them in the medieval boards?

Silurian, that depends on whether you want to talk about Red or White roses, of course.

Bill,

Very clearly all I desire is that gun discussions remain part of what might be potentially useful in a wargame, and not about gun laws, gun rights, or seen to be advocating gun usage or lobbying to protect rights and laws. (or for that matter to tear them down). Enforce the no politics rule.

Even this gives the gun "porn" types plenty of scope to talk about their favorite weapons.

If it smacks of reinforcing stereotypes about us to a newbie's mum. It needs to be stopped.

Looks like we need a safe space board to prevent global warming as a byproduct of melting sno….

Very clearly all I desire is that gun discussions remain part of what might be potentially useful in a wargame, and not about gun laws, gun rights, or seen to be advocating gun usage or lobbying to protect rights and laws. (or for that matter to tear them down). Enforce the no politics rule.

You can make a proposal on the Poll Suggestion board just like anyone else. But I believe the community already voted this down a few years ago.

and Skipper John's Conceal Carry License is on topic as military science?

Unintended consequences? It seems that by requesting a dedicated board for firearms discussion, you have in fact encouraged precisely the behavior you're segregating.

They voted down the no politics rule?
Well that's great then.
I assume you can close the blue fez then and flood the forums with all the politics from there.

Unintended consequences? It seems that by requesting a dedicated board for firearms discussion, you have in fact encouraged precisely the behavior you're segregating

The firearms boards was voted down for exactly that reason, you ignored the results.

Bill, your vote was a straw poll not a plebescite. Despite what ever it resulted in (and its phrasing hardly one of clarity), you own the site and it's your rules and reputation. If you want to be construed as sympathetic to right wing gun nuts by all means don't let me stop you.

Extolling concealed carry was the very first topic in the board. It doesn't get any less political. Delete that thread entirely.

This is FUN! &

With due respect, likely intended consequences of the few who requested the board; expected consequences of the vast majority who didn't want the board.

The board has quickly denigrated to gun porn. Bill, quit calling this "the miniatures page". It will soon be "Guns and Ammo, plus little pewter bits that you can melt down to reload your ammo with, after the global cataclysm."

Tango barely got out of the dawghouse before he found out he could slap his favorite form of porn up.

They voted down the no politics rule?

My memory is that the community previously voted not to censor 'gun control' discussions.

The firearms boards was voted down for exactly that reason, you ignored the results.

That's not how 'new board' polls are handled.

Bill, you own it. You only. It's your reputation, no matter how many votes are cast..

Padding the site with 17 year old threads with mostly lapsed accounts isn't helping much.

Padding the site with 17 year old threads with mostly lapsed accounts isn't helping much.

When a new board is created, we often transfer over to the new boards topics which 'belong' there.

That's not how 'new board' polls are handled

You making up arbitrary "need to reach " numbers none else knows about is not how polls work, no were does it say what is needed to get it passed, you had apparently also changed this magic number with out telling anyone.

So the poll is invalid, unless clearly stated otherwise, a majority decides.
Nothing was stated so a .majority decides.

Secret numbers and hidden requirements, is what banana republics do.

Bill, so the gun porn will be easy to find?

There are other forums if you don't like this one. Feel free to leave and go there. This is an American based website.

The right to own and talk about firearms is guaranteed to us by our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Secret numbers and hidden requirements, is what banana republics do.

Welcome to my banana republic.

In looking through the topics added to the Firearms Board, it is rather amusing to see that back in '05 Irish Marine used the General Wargaming board to ask the membership about where to buy a Martini-Henry and the only discussion on the topic was about sources for the rifle.

Not a single complaint or comment about the lack of application to wargaming of the question.

And should my nieces or nephew visit TMP and see a topic on CCLs, their mother would merely note that she has one.

On the other hand even with the NSFW or other boards with scantily clad females turned off they and she might well blink at the sight of some Galations or Gaeseti…

Well if the fire arms deal with history I'd think it would be OK. But being a gun owner for decades. And serving and being a former Infantryman. I just don't see the problem.

I doubt highly if I talk about the M16s or .45s I used while in the US ARMY for over a decade would or should upset anyone. But I also trained with M2 .50 cal. So is there a caliber restriction to talk about weapons.

Will I say something about the M60 MGs we used ? That will make someone want to go out and buy/get a semi-auto/automatic weapon. And they go out and kill people ?

Now I'm not an NRA member and very rarely read magazines like Guns & Ammo. A gun is a tool. And has it's uses. But like many freedoms it comes with responsibilities. Some people will abuse those privileges. Like they do most other privileges.

But it seems to me talking about guns should not cause the upset some have with it. Maybe we shouldn't talk about cars because many people die while using or being hit by a car?

Or maybe not talking about food because some eat too much and causes health problems leading to death ?

I just think there is a bit of an overaction on the topic here. And like I and others have said before. If a topic does not interest you don't click on to it ? E.g. – I'm not a big zombie fan. So I don't got to topics that talk about them.

I'm such a narcissist. Will 20 of you support me for my very own private board?

Very clearly all I desire is that … discussions remain part of what might be potentially useful in a wargame, and not about … laws, … rights, or seen to be advocating … lobbying to protect rights and laws.

Emphasis mine.
A, would you please reconsider this statement?

Where is the button for switching it off from my view of the home page?

Where is the button for switching it off from my view of the home page?

TMP link

I don't have a problem with a board that deals with fireams in a military context, including the collection of historical weapons. If, however, the management of TMP is going to allow a board to be used to discuss private ownership of modern firearms (for or against), then that is problematic because the subject is inherently political.

+1 Aussie

For some reason TMP has become a home to lots of political discussions. Climate change and guns in particular.

While I will turn off this particular board, because I am not interested, I think the firearms board should be 'opt in', not 'opt out'.

IF people here wanted the Firearms board and they WON by a Unimpeachable MAJORITY (as is so "claimed" above)…then FINE.

HOWEVER, a General Message to all members should have been posted BEFORE the board went active, WITH a link to the Opt in/Out button so people could either Pre-Opt not to have it on their page or at least would have known about it prior to said event, so they could make their choice as soon as it became active.

Rather poor form to have it appear on everyone's pages in the first place without a general announcement.