ChrisBBB2  | 10 May 2019 12:06 p.m. PST |
Can I tap the collective wisdom of TMP for an answer to this question? I have come across a reference to 'Nazional-Uhlanen' fighting for the Austrian imperial army against the Hungarians in 1849. These are on the southern front around what is now Jimbolia, Romania and Kikinda, Serbia. I can't find a regiment that fits the description in 'Die Reiter-Regimenter der k.k.oesterreichischen Armee, III. Band: Die Uhlanen'
link I therefore wonder, was this some unit of provincial troops that did not belong to the k.k. army proper, but to the vassal state of the Serbian Voivodeship? I've had a search around for that too but no luck as yet. Or were they actually cavalry from the Principality of Serbia proper? This fine website shows some lancers of roughly the right vintage:
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| Hunlion | 10 May 2019 1:51 p.m. PST |
Hi Chris, That's one tough question! Try here….It might give you a clue. file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/202922139-Banat-Family-History-Series-Book-VII%20(1).pdf Hunlion |
| ChrisBBB2 | 10 May 2019 2:56 p.m. PST |
Hi Hunlion, Thanks for your swift answer. Unfortunately it looks as though your link points to a download on your own PC, so I can't look at it. What's the clue? Chris |
| Memento Mori | 10 May 2019 3:32 p.m. PST |
This should be the link link Note: When posting links online it is always a good idea to test that link and change if necessary |
 McLaddie | 10 May 2019 8:40 p.m. PST |
These are on the southern front around what is now Jimbolia, Romania and Kikinda, Serbia. Hi Chris: Along the Southern front you don't find regular Austrian troops, but rather a conglomerate of Croats, Serbs and other ethnic groups, including Serbian national regulars [unoffically, of course]. They were fighting against the Hungarians and with the Austrians, but it could well be a militia unit and not 'officially' in the Austrian Army at all, even if they were fighting "for" the Austrians. |
| ChrisBBB2 | 10 May 2019 11:45 p.m. PST |
Hi Bill, Yes, that much I know, and that Nugent's mixed Serb and Croat army actually fell to fighting itself at one point, etc. just trying to identify this specific unit. Chris |
| Hunlion | 11 May 2019 1:30 a.m. PST |
Hi Chris. Sorry about that…. try this link. link Hunlion |
| ChrisBBB2 | 11 May 2019 6:09 a.m. PST |
Thanks, Hunlion and Redblack. That's a very interesting book. Unfortunately it doesn't answer my specific question, but I appreciate you trying to help, thank you. Chris |
| GurKhan | 11 May 2019 7:17 a.m. PST |
There is a reference to "Nazional-Uhlanen" at link in an Austrian book published in 1836. Just the one passing remark, though, and I am not sure of its significance. Was your original reference the Nafziger OoB at link or perhaps link which is cited as the source of the Nafziger document? |
| ChrisBBB2 | 11 May 2019 8:07 a.m. PST |
Hi GurKhan, No, my source is not Nafziger nor Ruestow, it is the 'Winterfeldzug' by Nobili. Chris |
| McLaddie | 11 May 2019 8:51 a.m. PST |
Yes, that much I know, and that Nugent's mixed Serb and Croat army actually fell to fighting itself at one point, etc. just trying to identify this specific unit. Chris: I figured you did. What I was saying was that there was enough informality in that theater that "National Uhlans" may not be a 'unit' in the formal sense of the word, rather a reference to 'those guys of that group.' Just a thought. I have found similar references to fighting groups in that region. |
| ChrisBBB2 | 11 May 2019 8:53 a.m. PST |
Oh, I see what you mean, Bill. Yes, that may well be it; GurKhan's 1836 reference suggests that too. Chris |
