Tango01 | 23 Apr 2019 4:16 p.m. PST |
"According to media reports, Hitler in second world war was too confident of Nazi Germany's victory even in 1944-45 time frame when allies were closing in on him from all sides. Nazi Germany was inches away from delivering intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuke warheads. Hitler's confidence (fortunately for the world) never materialized because though the prototypes were tested, they could not be deliverd in the battlefield on time due to lack of resources and time constraints. According to an 88-year-old former Italian war correspondent, Hitler was preparing to unleash a nuclear bomb on the Allies in the last days of the Second World War. In his book ''Hitler's Secret Weapon'', Luigi Romersa claims to be the last living witness to an experimental detonation of a Nazi weapon he says was the world's first atom bomb…." Main page link Amicalement Armand |
HappyHussar | 23 Apr 2019 4:17 p.m. PST |
I am looking to put together a reasonable OB for the battleship support forces that would have escorted battleships like the HMS George V for the Operation Olympic mission. So far I have identified the HMS Northumberland (CL) as one of the ships that conducted ship to shore fire during the waning days of the Pacific War. Can anyone help me determine what other British escort ships that would have been in the "old battleship" groups? I am guessing that they had destroyer escorts as well but I mainly am concentrating on just the Cruisers (CA and CL) and the Destroyers (DD). |
Mobius | 23 Apr 2019 4:22 p.m. PST |
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Fred Cartwright | 23 Apr 2019 4:44 p.m. PST |
Simple answer no. German scientists were a long way from getting a bomb. The Germans were pursuing a blind alley in bomb research. They would have had to start again to achieve a working bomb. This is all been covered in depth by interviews with the scientists involved in Germany A bomb research. They claim it was to stop Hitler getting the bomb, but I think they actually just screwed up. |
Lion in the Stars | 23 Apr 2019 4:55 p.m. PST |
I've seen a mushroom cloud come up from a pie-plate of chemicals. No radioactivity, not even a particularly big boom. It just went 'whoomf' and went up very, very quickly. Mushroom clouds are NOT indicative of nuclear explosions, just one that is very hot relative to blast force. |
Mark 1 | 23 Apr 2019 5:21 p.m. PST |
+1 Fred +1 Lion Long ago when I was but a wee lad (and a somewhat naughty lad at that) I used to offer demonstrations of my own pocket-sized A-bombs at high-school parties. My secret device was a small thin sphere of plasticine modelling clay filled with black powder with a bit of fuze. Light the fuze, toss it gently out onto the ground or dirt or wherever, and FOOSH -- a dramatic ball of flame followed by a small mushroom cloud about 18 inches (450mm) in diameter rolling upwards. Quite dramatic. Didn't work with modern smokeless powder (burned too slow), or with flash powder from dis-assembled firecrackers (burned too fast). Black powder was just the trick. Lots of smoke, too, which was a key part of the event. Had to make the clay sphere pretty thin and reasonably uniform, because if it was notably thinner in one area (like around the fuze) and thicker in others (anywhere/everywhere else) it might zoom off as a rocket or pinwheel instead -- not at all what I wanted. Paper-thin (I would roll it out on a flat surface before forming it into a ball) was just the trick. I'd guess you'd have to be pretty d@mned naive to believe that just because you saw a mushroom cloud, there was an atomic bomb. But some people will buy any sauce you sell. -Mark (aka: Mk 1) |
Narratio | 23 Apr 2019 6:43 p.m. PST |
Happy Hussar got bit by the Bug big time on this one. |
Wackmole9 | 23 Apr 2019 7:06 p.m. PST |
Hi Happyhussar, here a link link |
Lee494 | 23 Apr 2019 8:07 p.m. PST |
Love these theories! Lots of them on TV by "witnesses" to everything from Nazi A Bombs to Flying Saucers to Death Ray's. Hitler's scientists were obviously into a lot of wild weaponry but we (or the Russians) grabbed the scientists and their weapons, like V2s, after the war. To me the single biggest proof that these "super" weapons did not exist is the fact that neither the Russians nor the US have come up with them since WWII. If any of this stuff existed we would have seen it by now. So these aged "one off" eyewitnesses popping out of the woodwork are suffering from severe memory fantasies or just trying to con their way into a few minutes of fame and make a few bucks on book royalties. Take your pick. Cheers! |
Old Contemptibles | 23 Apr 2019 8:46 p.m. PST |
No they could not build a bomb for the following reasons: 1. Brain Drain, due to the persecution of the Jews most of the physicist that could have worked on the German bomb emigrated to the west. The bulk going to Britain and the United States to eventually work in the Manhattan Project. 2. Heisenberg believed the bomb would take 5 to 10 years to produce. He advise concentrating on nuclear energy. 3. Albert Speer believed it would take all of Germany's resources to have built a bomb. 4. Finding a moderator for the absorption of neutrons, in a controlled reaction was problematic for the Germans. 5. Increasing Allied bombing of Germany, made it difficult to build and test a bomb. 6. The labeling of this project as "Jewish Science" by some indicated a resistance to the project within the Nazi party. Heisenberg was accused by some within the party as being a "White Jew". 7. The Nazis were more interested in projects that could immediately have an impact on the war. Like jets and missiles. |
Old Contemptibles | 23 Apr 2019 8:55 p.m. PST |
What made the Manhattan Project successful was, 1. A strong initial drive, by a small group of scientists, to launch the project. 2. Unconditional government support. 3. Essentially unlimited manpower and industrial resources. 4. A concentration of brilliant scientists devoted to the project. 5. A vast area invulnerable to enemy attack. The German project lacked all of these. |
Old Contemptibles | 23 Apr 2019 9:15 p.m. PST |
Did I just waste my time with this. Everytime I have a bug issue, it is usually when… |
Patrick R | 24 Apr 2019 5:12 a.m. PST |
Until a few years ago, you could get away with the idea that they were really close to finding one, so close in fact that it so utterly unnerved the allies, the created the myth that the Germans where nowhere near having a nuclear bomb. This satisfies the fanboy idea that if the war had gone on for another six months the Germans would have run roughshod over the allies and driven them back to Mars thanks to all the superweapons that would come online. Until the archives, everyone believed to be lost suddenly surfaced in former East Germany, pretty much confirming what all the scientists said all those years after the war. There was no bomb, there certainly wasn't a test and while they may have had the tech to rig some kind of primitive V2-powered nuclear bomb, it would have been so unreliable it would probably use up their reserve of fissile material after a few attempts. |
Richard Baber | 24 Apr 2019 6:26 a.m. PST |
A big NO…….. Next stupid uber Nazi myth, please? :) |
JD Lee | 24 Apr 2019 6:30 a.m. PST |
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Legion 4 | 24 Apr 2019 8:01 a.m. PST |
As we know the Germans were trying to work on it. But fortunately they were no where near successful, for a variety of reasons. Next stupid uber Nazi myth, please? :) They were working on flying saucers … everybody knows that ! And don't forget the P1000 Ratte ! |
Old Contemptibles | 24 Apr 2019 9:48 a.m. PST |
Well, if the Aliens had been more cooperative they would have had flying saucers by 1943. But then Hitler insisted it be used as a bomber which set the production back another year. |
Old Contemptibles | 24 Apr 2019 9:52 a.m. PST |
Well, if the Aliens had been more cooperative they would have had it by 1943. But then Hitler insisted it be used as a bomber which set the production back another year. |
JAFD26 | 24 Apr 2019 11:55 a.m. PST |
Hello, Happy Hussar ! I would check __Chronology of the War at Sea, 1939-1945: The Naval History of World War Two_, by Jurgen Rohwer IIRC. that included fairly complete OOBs for the fleets. There also have been a couple of books written specifically on tho British Pacific Fleet, should be findable (busy this afternoon, I am, ya gotta search for yourself.) |
Gunfreak | 24 Apr 2019 2:12 p.m. PST |
Actually Hiter had 25 000 2MT ICBMs, but for ethical and moral reasons Hitler chose not to use them. |
Legion 4 | 25 Apr 2019 2:58 p.m. PST |
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Old Contemptibles | 02 May 2019 2:39 p.m. PST |
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Mark 1 | 02 May 2019 10:32 p.m. PST |
Reallynow, Rallynow. When we have so many self-proclaimed experts on the interweb who will breathlessly proclaim the indisputable logic of their interpreting some random piece of a possibly-misquoted, less-than-100%-clear 50 year old statement as proof beyond doubt, why would you choose instead to reference a peer-reviewed professional engineering journal? Don't you know how fake news works? You're supposed to eschew well researched and credible sources, and promotesomething that agrees with the fantasy proposition in the OP. -Mark (aka: Mk 1) p.s. Oh and btw, interesting article in the link. Thanks! d.s. |