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SoS Wargaming18 Apr 2019 1:09 a.m. PST

I recently made a bvideo detailing Werner Voss' last flight when he took on the aces of 56th squadron. Check it out here (and please subscribe!):

YouTube link

Maybe it's useful information for a WW1 aerial scenario?

thestoneman18 Apr 2019 4:01 a.m. PST

Very nice work. A real inspiration for my next game of Canvas Eagles.

skipper John Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2019 5:12 a.m. PST

Very nice.

SoS Wargaming18 Apr 2019 5:16 a.m. PST

Cheers guys, Voss was completely overshadowed by the Red baron, but I believe he was the better pilot.

Old Wolfman18 Apr 2019 6:47 a.m. PST

Good work,SoS.

21eRegt18 Apr 2019 7:13 a.m. PST

Agree Voss was the better pilot but feel Richtofen was the better leader.

SoS Wargaming18 Apr 2019 7:38 a.m. PST

Cheers!

I agree with that as well. But maybe Voss would have matured into a good leader, given time.

wrgmr118 Apr 2019 9:18 a.m. PST

Wonderfull video SOS.
We recently played a VR scenario using canvas eagles. He got caught between two camels and shot down. I managed to shoot down a Sopwith triplanes in my Fokker Dr1.

SoS Wargaming18 Apr 2019 11:02 a.m. PST

Cheers buddy! I've never played Canvas Eagles, but have always heard good thing about it. Sounds like fun anyway! My game of choice if Wings of Glory for WW1 aircraft.

Timmo uk18 Apr 2019 3:02 p.m. PST

I've used the scenario to play test various WW1 rules. In most it's impossible to mimic the historical outcome as he gets shot down easily and quickly, without doing much if any damage.

SoS Wargaming19 Apr 2019 1:06 a.m. PST

I guess unless you twist the rules in favour of Voss, I can imagine that is the big issue. Most rules sets have that balance which real life doesn't?

Timmo uk19 Apr 2019 1:30 a.m. PST

Yes, partly that you have to rate Voss in the DR1 as an exceptionably nimble yet very aggressive pilot however, I found the inability of the game to mimic reality was more to do with the predictable way most games play.

21eRegt19 Apr 2019 2:52 p.m. PST

In the old Red Baron game ace pilots could withhold moves till after the lesser pilots have completed their move. Ordinary aces withhold a few, can't recall exactly, and "legendary aces" (those with 20 or more victories) get more. Even though the sky was full of aces that day, you might treat them as just veteran pilots and give Voss the legendary perk. Red Baron also had the "flat turn" option for the Dr.1.

Scafcom1 Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2019 10:11 p.m. PST

Very good vid. In terms of pilot skill, it is my opinion that Voss could very well have been the best German pilot of the Great War.

Timmo uk20 Apr 2019 1:48 a.m. PST

I agree Voss in the DR1 was an exceptionally dangerous enemy. He must have been a brilliant shot as well.

I think Voss could have extracted himself and lived to fight another day, like MvR, both died as a result of their tactical choice.

In the replays of the scenario, with the successful rules, the outcome is exactly that he can choose to get out of the combat but he has to make that move early on, once he choses to dogfight his fate is sealed.
A good outcome for the 'Game Voss' was that he would damage or shoot down one SE5 before escaping. To a degree the SE5s get in each others' way but they can very effectively box him in, as they did in real life. In the game Voss' best move was to then climb as fast as possible faster than the SE5 then to convert that altitude advantage to an initiative advantage before diving away at the right point. Even then there is a good chance of the fast SE5s catching up in the dive.

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