Tango01 | 16 Apr 2019 12:36 p.m. PST |
….Won't Be "That Different" From the Books "Man, I don't know, I feel bad for George RR Martin. I'm as extremely hyped as anyone for the imminent return of Game of Thrones for its eighth and final season, and I know ol' George has been writing these final two installments in the Song of Ice and Fire book series as the same pace an army of reanimated corpses walked to the Wall. But man, I don't know. Imagine carefully crafting a complex narrative over decades that spans bloodlines, continents, and overlapping storylines, and then two goobers who thought a slavery drama in the year of our Lord 2019 was a good idea get to tell your ending to the world first. Not helping: This recent interview with the author on 60 Minutes in which Anderson Cooper, for some reason using a tension usually resolved for serial killers, grills Martin on the ending of Game of Thrones. According to Martin, while it's impossible for Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss to cover all the little details in his secondary character B-plots, the ending in the books and the TV series will not be "that different" — but he welcomes the internet debates all the same…." Main page link Amicalement Armand |
Aethelflaeda was framed | 16 Apr 2019 1:45 p.m. PST |
He has had 8 years to finish, I have no sympathy for him or his publisher. |
SOB Van Owen | 16 Apr 2019 2:01 p.m. PST |
Look at it this way. After toiling for years in Hollywood making the sausage, he quits and sits down to write a fantasy epic that would be impossible to film. Deliberately. Plot lines that the HBO show has ruthlessly and beneficially cut. Arianna Martel and some Oakheart dude. Nimble Dick. Tons of Greyjoys that nobody gives a hoot about. Victor or something like that. Harry the Heir. Fake Aegon Penny Jeyne Poole. I could go on and on but I have no need to. Martin already has. He had these digressions already in print before HBO backed up the truck with pallets of hundred dollar bills. So now he has to hire some super fans to keep him from making continuity errors. I hope he pays them well. It's my belief that book 7 is finished and waiting for the show to be over, and that book 8 is no more than two years away. Because of the "all his own fault" bloated plot additions, he's probably writing both books together to avoid errors. After he kills off a shedload of characters in Winds, things will be a lot easier. |
Old Peculiar | 16 Apr 2019 3:52 p.m. PST |
Personally I grew totally bored with the novels. Martin's lack of production seemed to me to be immature, and the content that he did produce was overly complex, and tainted by exercises in self satisfaction. I was slow to get into the TV series for similar reasons, now I have watched them all and am looking forward to the conclusion of the epic. I have no feelings of sympathy, or even empathy for Martin, preferring to let him count his fortune and buy more figures for his collection. |
SOB Van Owen | 16 Apr 2019 5:21 p.m. PST |
The tv show is canon. The books are fan fiction. |
Mithmee | 16 Apr 2019 6:01 p.m. PST |
He has had 8 years to finish Yup should have been done ages ago. |
MiniatureWargaming dot com | 16 Apr 2019 6:22 p.m. PST |
I actually don't believe that he will ever finish the books. Someone will finish the series posthumously like Sanderson did with Robert Jordan |
Gone Fishing | 16 Apr 2019 7:07 p.m. PST |
"…and buy more figures for his collection." Not a huge fan so I don't have much to add on this, but that comment caught my eye. Is Mr Martin a toy soldier collector? |
Patrick R | 17 Apr 2019 3:18 a.m. PST |
I do think GRRM will manage to crank out the next book, except that it will be called "Part I" The sidestories and characters exploded exponentially the closer he gets to the end the bigger it all becomes and despite having the reputation of killing everyone, he's hardly put a dent in the cast overall. |
Aethelflaeda was framed | 17 Apr 2019 8:09 a.m. PST |
Jordan got paid by the word. The story got so bloated I didn't even care after the 5th book or so. I never bothered to even get the last books when he was still alive. A total hack, even if the first few were addictive. Martin is a slightly better story teller |
Aethelflaeda was framed | 17 Apr 2019 8:11 a.m. PST |
GRRM played superhero RPGs. |
Major B | 17 Apr 2019 5:09 p.m. PST |
GRR collects toy knights. |
Gone Fishing | 17 Apr 2019 6:50 p.m. PST |
Ah, I didn't know that. Thank you! |
Mithmee | 17 Apr 2019 7:18 p.m. PST |
Someone will finish the series posthumously like Sanderson did with Robert Jordan. Well if Robert Jordan decided not the spend pages describing a tree or something else he would have finished. |
Thomas Thomas | 26 Apr 2019 2:14 p.m. PST |
The books are canon. The TV series an interesting take on the material(and with far more flagrant plot holes and far more conventional story telling after getting beyond the books). Will probably be superseded by a remake a few years after the final book appears. Martin has a stellar collection of medieval figures including an entire castle diorama. But yes he needs to get the books out. TomT |
Patrick R | 27 Apr 2019 4:13 a.m. PST |
I understand that GRRM has the AD&D Birthright set and used some of it as inspiration among many other things for GoT. |
The Beast Rampant | 07 May 2019 1:58 p.m. PST |
The tv show is canon. The books are fan fiction. That about covers it. Personally, I would feel like the biggest fool in the world to have put out ONE SoI&F book in the entire span of the HBO series- and that one just barely. I understand that GRRM has the AD&D Birthright set and used some of it as inspiration among many other things for GoT. I'm thinking of using ASoI&F as inspiration for a patio deck I'm going to start and let rot unfinished. |
Thomas Thomas | 09 May 2019 1:06 p.m. PST |
After the last two seasons of the HBO version which have gotten off Martin's material to the serious determent of logic, character development and originality, one can only hope that the ridiculous claim that the series is better than the books can forever be laid to rest. TomT |