"Space Marine Tactics: Devastator Centurions Doing Work?" Topic

"…Centurions, you remember those guys; the scourge of 7th ed? Well, the bizarro Space Marine baby carriers have been absent from tournament tables for some time now, but I'm here to tell you that you can make them work again. Read on to find out if I'm right, or just crazy!…"

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Stupidest-looking models GW ever released. Their best tactic is to shuffle carefully forward in a straight line (or just remain stationary) so they won't fall down.

Tactics and GW are mutually exclusive terms.

GW, IMO – make crazy expensive over the top cartoony, silly models.

Paint everything in bright circus colors to attract those that like bright shiny things.

And come up with some poor or worse rules so their clients can play with their toys. And not just be used as paper weights … which many of their models are pretty much the only think they are good for.

"Stupidest-looking models GW ever released"

No, that has to be this:

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"Paint everything in bright circus colors to attract those that like bright shiny things."

Sort of like Napoleonics then?

The wolves look cool. Too bad you can't bitz-order them without the goofy flying chariot.

I was thinking the flying shark.

Unfortunately, as GW range is over 90% plastics these days, they even suck at being paper weights.

Napoleonic colour schemes are based on historical reality, not made up to push modern product and fund shareholders. GW's version of space marines, on the other hand…

"Napoleonic colour schemes are based on historical reality, not made up to push modern product and fund shareholders. GW's version of space marines, on the other hand…"

This argument makes no sense. Maybe I don't understand it, are you saying that GW painted the space marines the colours they did to push a range of paints?

Or are you saying that the bright colours attract people and so they made them that way.

In the first case, they make the paints, so why didn't they just make different colour paints and paint the marines with those instead.

If the second thing then they really aren't any different from Napoleonics because some people play Napoleonics to play with "bright, shiny things."

Perhaps there is a third interpretation I missed that actually makes sense.

Centurions is GW going "Hey Dawg, I heard you like Space Marines so we put a Space Marine inside a Space Marine so you can Marine even harder !!!"

Glup….!

Amicalement
Armand

Wow I didn't know GW and FW minis would explode after calling GW killteams to your address if you dare to paint your expensive toy spacemen in a more realistic subdued manner.

Believe it dude. If you want such and such chapter, they want you painting the figures such and such colour. I Wonder if you'd get into a GW tournament with cammo Ultramarines. Anyone know? I don't know how their rules on entry go.

Pics, pics, pics. Where does one start. You were comparing miniature painting based on a work of fiction to that based upon historical fact. Believe it or not, that was your folly. I'm not sure that many people play an historical army just because they like the uniform, some do for sure, but most play their army for the history and what their army did and who they were, not just because of what they wore.

Same with 40K. What is your point?

I'm afraid that once again, as has happened so many times in the past, The H Man is about to be hoist by his own petard.

Why people play historical armies? You might want to actually do some research and look at what they say. Here are some answers from this very website:

"Quite like the infantry coat colour; very soothing…"

"Spanish – cool selection of uniforms . . ."

"Russians . . . Russian flags are fantastic, and the Front Rank figures are gorgeous."

"Ottomans!

Colorful, exotic, and like Morocco, a combination of the Bible and Hollywood"

"I think Prussians however have the best uniforms. Dark blues, grays and blacks, some greens …sweeeeet ….."

"Next ones are Duchy of Warsaw and Saxony, because they look fun, and then maybe Army of Italy."

"Brunswickers! Black uniform and silver skull and cross bones. Easy paint job. "

"Northern Italians. Good variety. Good troops. A change from French blue by wearing a combination of green/red/white."

"I've often thought of putting together the Brunswicker contingent from the Waterloo campaign. It has an interesting mix of unit types although it is lacking any heavy cavalry. And as has already been mentioned, the uniforms aren't all that complicated.

Bavarians would be another choice, if only for those really odd helmets on some of the infantry. Nice shade of blue for the uniforms, too."

"1806 Prussians, Spanish and Ottomans - they're absolutely fabulous when you win! And all in such pretty colours."

""Austrians. Prime white, use a wash and they're done. They have grenzers and some pretty cavalry to brighten up the masses. Just don't try fancy moves with them."

"Americans. Stop laughing, I'm serious! Simple uniforms . . ."

"Austrian. Cans of white spray paint are cheap.

Russians, simple uniforms and GUNS, GUNS, GUNS."

"2) British (Waterloo campaign) Classic uniforms and they're tough to beat.

3) Prussians Blucher's da man and dark cool looking uniforms."

And that is just from the first 50 responses, and a number of those 50 responses were four people going back and fourth arguing about the effectiveness of some of the armies.

So, I don't think it was my folly at all. Your folly was to even start to type, as usual.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

"Paint everything in bright circus colors to attract those that like bright shiny things."
Sort of like Napoleonics then?

Yes … but bright colors were useful in the Napoleonics … I'd think not so much with futuristic high tech forces. Or even modern of course …

But I wasn't around during the Napoleonics or will not be in the far distant future … So …

Or are you saying that the bright colours attract people and so they made them that way.

I have hundreds on Epic SMs. And I chose to paint them in tactic colors. That is the way I do it … But again some like bright shiny things in Sci-fi. I don't generally. And I don't play Napys … so …

You were comparing miniature painting based on a work of fiction to that based upon historical fact.

Well … there is that … But I guess after being in the Army and around Infantry, MBTs, APCs, IFVs, SPFA, FA, etc., etc. For over a decade in my long passed youth. I just can't see those types of things in circus colors. Maybe that's just me …

But that should not stop anyone from painting GW models in bright shiny circus colors, etc. My opinion is just that nothing more … nothing less. It really means nothing in the long or short run, I'm sure …

No color restrictions at GW stores or any tournament I've ever heard of.

The Hello Kitty Space Marines are tournament legal.

Silver and grey models with black bases used to be banned from the table at my local GW. Even with painted figs they had to have a painted base. I remember the manager making a kid paint his bases green before he could use them.

Last I checked, a long time ago still, this policy had changed. Today???

I suspect the marine primary colours originated from looking at Napoleonics and other historicals. I know many? of the staff used to be into historicals. Perry's for two.

Look at startrek also, bright uniforms.

Aircraft carriers still use bright colours for its crewmen. But that's not the same as on the frontline.

The marines colours are kind of wack when you think about it. Almost every other army uses cammo or subdued schemes.

To flip that, look at RoboCop. The blue Chrome beakon of justice in the motor City.

All this nit picking "circus colors"and no one has mentioned the setting is one that has sorcery and orks! It's not for everyone.

I choose to "cherry pick" from the ever changing 40K fluff from when I started in '90 …

The Hello Kitty Space Marines are tournament legal.

Yes, that seems to be the cases …

The marines colours are kind of wack when you think about it. Almost every other army uses cammo or subdued schemes.

You mean Space Marines, right ! But yes, GW's & FW's SMs are in very "pretty" colors. E.g. TMP link

But mine are not … they and almost my other 6mm Sci-fi forces are in tactical, camo, earth tones, etc. Some have called it a WWII type color scheme. And they liked it !!