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09 Mar 2019 8:09 p.m. PST
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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian09 Mar 2019 8:04 p.m. PST

Which battle would you say was the riskiest gamble for the Confederacy?

Lee49409 Mar 2019 8:11 p.m. PST

Ft. Sumpter.

Musketballs09 Mar 2019 8:32 p.m. PST

Harpers Ferry 1862

Pan Marek09 Mar 2019 8:50 p.m. PST

Lee- Yep.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2019 9:20 p.m. PST

3rd Lee and unnecessary. Anderson was about to surrender.

Old Contemptibles09 Mar 2019 9:46 p.m. PST

Secession
Fort Sumter
Maryland Campaign
Pickett's Charge

Lascaris09 Mar 2019 9:59 p.m. PST

Chancellorsville. Dividing an inferior army into 3 parts and then defeating the other side. Almost insanely risky but it worked!

gamershs09 Mar 2019 10:24 p.m. PST

Hoods advance north while Sherman was marching south through Georgia.

Texas Jack10 Mar 2019 1:09 a.m. PST

I would agree with Chancellorsville, if Lee had been defeated we would be talking about what a fool he was.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP10 Mar 2019 3:51 a.m. PST

Starting the war.

AussieAndy10 Mar 2019 3:54 a.m. PST

If we are talking a single battle, then I agree that it has to be Chancellorsville. I've always struggled with the question of whether Lee's and Jackson's plan was (1) audacious genius; or (2) crazy risky. Of course, the Lee/Jackson supporters can say, "hey it worked", but should Lee and Jackson have had any reasonable expectation that it would work?

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Mar 2019 4:47 a.m. PST

Tactically, then yes Chancellorsville. Lee didn't really have any choice but to fight a battle, but to fight it the way he did was risky indeed.

Strategically, then it has to be the Gettysburg campaign. Vicksburg was under siege and rather than send troops west to to try and relieve the city, Lee gambled that an invasion of the north (and a victory there) would solve the problem. Didn't work.

Desert Fox10 Mar 2019 6:15 a.m. PST

Lee remaining another day at Sharpsburg after the mauling his army received the first day. No advantage to stay at incredible risk.

Big Red Supporting Member of TMP10 Mar 2019 6:41 a.m. PST

There's quite a few, starting with Secession, but by putting Pemberton in command and then launching the Gettysburg campaign while letting the Vicksburg garrison rot, turned out to be decisive.

d effinger10 Mar 2019 9:00 a.m. PST

Starting the war. Pretty stupid.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP10 Mar 2019 9:32 a.m. PST

Saying starting the war was a big gamble is just 20/20 hindsight. And, not sure Confederacy even existed when the war started---didn't it form after Fort Sumter?

Texas Jack10 Mar 2019 10:18 a.m. PST

Actually the whole war for both sides was pretty stupid, however Bill is asking about battles.

Corporal Fagen10 Mar 2019 11:46 a.m. PST

Franklin

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP10 Mar 2019 12:10 p.m. PST

Wearing grey with those shoes.

von Schwartz10 Mar 2019 5:52 p.m. PST

Gettysburg

Gunfreak, back off with the shoes, remember, oberlindes is the one with the shoe fetish.

GROSSMAN11 Mar 2019 1:59 p.m. PST

Gettysburg, more over Pickett's charge.

Trajanus11 Mar 2019 3:27 p.m. PST

Franklin? I was going to say Nashville but I suppose it wasn't so much a gamble as just plain dumb!

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2019 7:28 a.m. PST

I'd have to go with Gettysburg …

Aethelflaeda was framed13 Mar 2019 7:37 p.m. PST

Ft Sumter.

Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2019 10:43 p.m. PST

Starting the war in the first place…After that gamble it was all down hill. The House* had the percentage with them.

*i.e. The White House, Congress etc.

Old Contemptibles13 Mar 2019 11:13 p.m. PST

I think Lee was trying to make a point when he stayed one more day at Sharpsburg. That he still knew what McClellan was all about. It was risky, but it was McClellan after all. One man's crazy is another man's audacity.

Old Contemptibles13 Mar 2019 11:20 p.m. PST

Antietam.

Splitting the army five ways with a superior enemy nearby. Lee barely got a way with it. But if those orders had not been lost, who knows what we would be talking about instead. Losing those orders is part of the risk you take.

donlowry15 Mar 2019 8:36 a.m. PST

Grand strategically: Fort Sumter -- starting a shooting war just to get more states to join the Confederacy (which only half-worked since it only brought in 4 of the 8 remaining slave states) but also fired up the people of the free states with indignation over someone firing on the national flag.

Strategically: Lee's invasion of Pennsylvania while Grant besieged Vicksburg instead of sending forces west to try to drive Grant away and/or gang up on Rosecrans. (Honorable -- or dishonorable -- mention to Bragg sending Longstreet against Knoxville while Grant brought Sherman to Chattanooga.)

Grand-tactically: Chancellorsville, for reasons stated in posts above.

Tactically: Hood's attack at Franklin.

WARGAMESBUFF11 May 2019 2:27 a.m. PST

The confederate states would still be here if they had not fired on the fort Sumpter.

Biggest mistake to start it.

donlowry11 May 2019 9:18 a.m. PST

Two more to consider:

1. Choosing (not electing) Jeff Davis to be President (and commander-in-chief).

2. Seceding before finding out what Lincoln was really going to do.

Old Contemptibles12 May 2019 9:58 p.m. PST

The extra day at Sharpsburg. If it had been anyone but McClellan, the war might have been over. Lee was really good at judging his opponents, so maybe it wasn't that big of a gamble. But you still needed a large pair of onions to pull off that one.

Old Contemptibles12 May 2019 10:01 p.m. PST

I don't think anyone thought firing at Fort Sumpter was a gamble. I would characterize it as a mistake.

Old Contemptibles12 May 2019 10:02 p.m. PST

Those first two posts are not mine. The bug strikes again.

Please delete me15 May 2019 11:21 a.m. PST

Shooting on Ft. Sumpter. After that 7 pines

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