"Marx's grave vandalized (again)" Topic

A memorial to Karl Marx at the cemetery in north London where the 19th century political philosopher is buried has been defaced for the second time in less than a fortnight – this time with red paint…

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Its about as pointless as Charles II digging up the body of Oliver Cromwell and hanging it!

I always felt Marx was an ideas man, it being the Russian Bolsheviks that made communism the monster it became.

A number of statues and memorials have been vandalised in London recently,including the Bomber Command and WPC Yvonne Fletcher memorials.

It's the intellectual equivalent of ringing a doorbell and running away. Pathetic and morally bankrupt.

Come on Herkybird. Cromwell desired any and all forms of desecration.

Keep vandalizing it until you get it right.
The crowd in Baghdad knew what to do with that huge statue of Saddam Hussein.

Mixed feelings. Winston has a point as regards monuments. I would certainly enjoy the day when the various statues of the ruling house of North Korea are repurposed as scrap metal and cobblestones. And I winced a little when I found out the Marx "Memorial" is nearly 14 feet high: a little over the top for a tombstone, perhaps.

But the fact remains, if you go around the UK--or any Western European or North American nation--desecrating the graves of left-wing idiots, you'll never get anything else done. And poor Jenny Marx never harmed anyone. Better to concern oneself with live totalitarians than dead ones.

I swear it wasn't me.

A pity, he says, sarcastically.

I assume that those here in favour of desecrating Marx's memorial would have no objection to lefties vandalising the graves of conservatives. Surely you would want to be consistent in such matters.

Guessing that just urinating on it wasn't good enough for the vandal(s)…

Surely you would want to be consistent in such matters.

I can object to someone desecrating a monument to George Washington and cheer someone destroying a monument to Hitler without issue.

Not quite sure how Marx can be equated with Hitler. I don't think that he can be blamed for quite all of the crimes of Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc. Would you object to the desecration of the grave of Adam Smith or Milton Friedman by a leftie? That would be a fairer comparison.

Or even a confederate General's grave? Not that I find Marx equivalent equivalent in evil at all to Robert E. Lee.

What we have here is the equivalent of the Taliban destroying buddhist statues.

Winston Smith has crossed the line again, no probity, or decorum at all.

That said, it's still +1 to "Winston Smith."

A name, lest we forget, of a character very much a product of the kind of world Marx made possible.

TVAG

The 20th century. The age of isim's and unprecedented mass murder!!

Yes, Marx is not the same as Robert E. Lee.

One fought for slavery of one race and the other stood for enslaving all mankind.

Fruit from the poison tree and all that.

I think you'll find if you ever read Marx, enslavement was not the goal he stood for. Naive, badly implemented, say what you will, but he wanted freedom for humanity. He certainly wished to right the injustice of stratefied classes and make all equal.

TVAG, you do realize that Orwell was a socialist? He was anti Stalinist but he was in the POUM in the Spanish civil war.

How exactly did Marx make Saddam Hussein possible? I assume that you do realise that SH had plenty of American support for quite a while.

I suspect that the worst thing that will happen to you if you read Marx is abject boredom. To suggest that he wanted to enslave humanity or supported genocide, is just nonsense.

"Not quite sure how Marx can be equated with Hitler."

At least 100 million people killed in the name of the movement he started would disagree.

"How exactly did Marx make Saddam Hussein possible? I assume that you do realise that SH had plenty of American support for quite a while."

Iraq under Hussein was a Soviet puppet state. Don't get all your information from left wing sources.

>t least 100 million people killed in the name of the movement he started would disagree.

I suppose then you could say that about the Crusades too. sins of the descendants, are not to be held against the ancestor.

If Marx is to blame for the later actions of brutal dictators, then the American Founding Fathers must take the blame for the My Lai Massacre and other attrocities.

American support for Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq War is a matter of historical fact, not left-wing opinion.

I'm done on this thread. I'm no fan of Marx, but there's no point trying to argue against blind prejudice.

Indeed Andy, it is difficult to argue with people who cannot intellectually differentiate between a philosopher and a tyrant.

Cheers,
JohnG

Especially with communist apologists.

I suppose one could get better arguments from the editor of the Democrat-Reporter.

"If Marx is to blame for the later actions of brutal dictators, then the American Founding Fathers must take the blame for the My Lai Massacre and other attrocities."

Seriously? this is your attempt at moral equivalence? Marx famously said that the merchants would sell us, (the communists), the rope we will use to hang them.

I was worried – at first I thought it may have been Harpo's

Fascinating, relevant

I was intending to bow out of this thread, but I can't let Dn Jackson's supposed quote from Marx pass. He never said what you attribute to him. If you disagree, please provide us with a proper citation.

I am not seeking to extoll Marx. I've done pretty well out of capitalism. I just don't like the wilful disregard of established facts or the misrepresentation of history. The appalling crimes of Lenin, Stalin and the rest had a whole lot more to do with totalitarian nature of their regimes and their own sociopathic personalties than theoretical Marxism. Even my (very right wing) father used to say that communism would be a great system, if it wasn't for human nature.