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MiniPigs09 Feb 2019 11:57 a.m. PST

The rules use 20 sided dice numbered 1-20 but are they truly supposed to be read as 1-20 or rather 1-10 x 2?

When you fire and your unit has a 1-6 hit chance is that 1-6 out of 20 or 1-6 out of 10?

Gone Fishing09 Feb 2019 12:08 p.m. PST

My understanding has always been 1-6 out of 20.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP09 Feb 2019 12:38 p.m. PST

Yes, out of 20.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP09 Feb 2019 6:51 p.m. PST


raylev309 Feb 2019 11:20 p.m. PST

Out of 20

Winston Smith10 Feb 2019 7:10 p.m. PST

Why would the rules specify D20 when D10s are to be used?
Nowhere in TSATF does it mention D10s.

coopman11 Feb 2019 7:31 a.m. PST

Do they even make D20s with the nos. 1-10 on them twice? Seems odd that they would.

Bismarck11 Feb 2019 8:03 a.m. PST


I am showing my age, but I remember the early d20s with 1-10 numbered twice and we had to color in two colors to make the distinction between 1-10 and 11-20. I think I may still have a few of these buried somewhere in the house.

Anyone else remember these?

Apologies Minipigs, if I stole your thread.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2019 8:08 a.m. PST

Bismarck I too have a few D10's which were converted
to D20 via the "paint the two 1-10 sequences different
colors" process.

Loooong time ago, Sam…

MiniPigs11 Feb 2019 8:49 a.m. PST

No problem, take the thread wherever. I asked because the rules are old and I wasnt sure if they meant the original d20 which were mostly 0-9 x 2 back then and that maybe a recent errata had misunderstood/assumed a d20 1-20.

Additionally, none of the TSATF firing charts hit factors really seems to go above 1-7 or 1-8; I think if there had been a 1-12 hit probability it would've clarified it all up in the rules.

Winston Smith11 Feb 2019 2:54 p.m. PST

You want a 1-12 hit probability on a D20?
I think that even 1-8 or 1-7 are way too high.

coopman11 Feb 2019 7:20 p.m. PST

I think that Larry Brom didn't want a unit to fire and obliterate its target. That would not be much fun.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2019 11:15 a.m. PST

Definitely, coopman. When what became 'Before I was a
Marshal…' (Larry's Nap rules) was in development
he absolutely rained all over me when I suggested
that the British had slightly superior musketry…

SgtGuinness13 Feb 2019 6:55 a.m. PST

MiniPigs, as stated the D20's are actually 1-20 with a to hit ranging from as low as a 1 needed up to a 7, depending on target class (formation and cover) or troop quality / nationality.

Yes, I have seen and own old D20's that are labeled 1-10 twice.


coolyork Supporting Member of TMP13 Feb 2019 10:32 a.m. PST

What SgtGuinness said !

MiniPigs13 Feb 2019 12:13 p.m. PST

Thanks everyone.

Murvihill18 Feb 2019 4:02 p.m. PST

Those labelled 1-10 twice, we'd paint half the numbers red and half black, if you rolled black you added 10 to the number. They were often the '70s yellow dice that quickly wore down on the corners and after you threw them they wouldn't stop until they rolled right off the table.

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