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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2019 6:57 a.m. PST

In the past who knew and loved playing with the "SEBASTOPOL, SEDOWA AND SEDAN" 19th. Century Warfare rules by T.J.Halsall, J.G.Kew & A.M.Roth,?

JimDuncanUK26 Jan 2019 7:54 a.m. PST

Never heard of them but I've only been in the hobby for around 50 years.

Skeets Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2019 8:43 a.m. PST

I think I have a copy somewhere in the game room.

23rdFusilier26 Jan 2019 9:59 a.m. PST


Winston Smith26 Jan 2019 10:19 a.m. PST

I heard of them, way back in the previous century.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2019 7:35 a.m. PST

There are several sets of rules (ACW, Medieval,
Napoleonic, etc) apparently authored by these

While I don't know for certain, they seem to have
published in the UK in the mid/early 1970's through
the early 1980's.

At least one of their sets was published by Newbury
(rules for the Medieval period 500 – 1500 AD, published
in 1983).

If interested, you can still find their rules on Amazon
an (infrequently) on E-bay.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2019 12:16 a.m. PST

@JimDuncanUK 50 years in the hobby only? This is little…

We can do better! I played with Louis XIII …

This rule served at national wargaming competitions in the UK in the 80s, and you did not hear about it ???

So no one among you has played with the "SEBASTOPOL, SEDOWA AND SEDAN" 19th. Century Warfare rules ?

It's a super sophisticated rule!

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2019 5:43 a.m. PST

Knew them, yes; loved them, no. I owned a copy but I'm not sure I ever used the rules for a game – certainly not more than once. Very factor-heavy, as I recall, of the "+1 for resting muskets on a wall" variety.

Why do you ask?


Bloody Big BATTLES!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2019 12:05 p.m. PST

Just to talk about something I like …

JimDuncanUK28 Jan 2019 2:04 p.m. PST


50 years in the hobby is fairly normal these days and hopefully some of us will get a few more. How many years do you have?

I can't say I have come across Louis XIII before, does he wargame? Was he at Sebastopol, Sedowa or the Sedan?

I remember the nationals in the 80's, I went to many of them. How many did you go to? Apart from one occasion at the nationals I never took part in any of the national competitions. There is so much more to the hobby than playing equalised armies on an equalised tabletop.

I prefer to display the hobby to others, in fact I have a trophy from the Nationals for doing just that.

Perhaps you could be useful to your fellow gamers and supply a review of "SEBASTOPOL, SEDOWA AND SEDAN" 19th. Century Warfare rules so that we can agree or otherwise with your assessment of 'super sophistication'.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP29 Jan 2019 12:36 p.m. PST


I do not want to provide a critique of "SEBASTOPOL, SEDOWA AND SEDAN" of the 19th. Century Warfare rules for you to accept or not an evaluation…

But because I like these rules, I only want to talk about them with those who knew and loved them …, you wrote above "I've never heard of it", so you're not not concerned …

Each his tastes, nevertheless it was and it is always a sacred good rule …

But what makes me laugh is that many find it too tedious.

JimDuncanUK29 Jan 2019 1:12 p.m. PST

Well, good luck with that.

Given the paucity of positive replies so far you may little to hear about them.

Basha Felika29 Jan 2019 1:48 p.m. PST

Like the Liberal party of the same era, I suspect that the SS&S fan club could meet in a phone box, even in their heyday :-)

I knew them, played them, moved on and never looked back, but (as mentioned in a parallel thread started by Paskal), I owe a debt of gratitude to the authors for getting me involved in this great hobby, a mere 42 years ago.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Jan 2019 12:49 a.m. PST

I have not found something that suits me so much ..?

Basha Felika30 Jan 2019 3:30 p.m. PST

Sorry to say, I think you may be the only living member of that fan club

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2019 12:54 a.m. PST

Given the mass of player that had at one time, it's odd that there are none who are members of TMP …

deephorse31 Jan 2019 6:11 a.m. PST

It may surprise you to learn that there are large numbers of wargamers that have never heard of TMP. At the last club I belonged to only two people knew of TMP and I was one of them.

Basha Felika01 Feb 2019 4:36 a.m. PST

That's certainly my experience as well, Deephorse. TMP seems to be promoted as a great resource for Wargames-related stuff mainly by word of mouth or chance appearances on google searches for specific topics .

A high proportion of my current club members have never heard of TMP, and it's interesting that the least aware are the SF/Fantasy crowd, who are usually the younger and more internet-savvy ones, compared to us greying historical gamers.

And, of course, there are those who know TMP exists, used to frequent it but have stopped doing so in recent years for all sorts of different reasons.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2019 10:00 a.m. PST

Nothing surprises me, since almost nobody has heard of "SEBASTOPOL, SEDOWA AND SEDAN" 19th. Century Warfare rules by T.J.Halsall, J.G.Kew & A.M.Roth …

Basha Felika01 Feb 2019 12:55 p.m. PST

Paskal, you should come to the UK, visit the Newbury Wargames Show (‘Colours') and meet Dr. Halsall – he's still a regular there – I'm sure he'd autograph your rules for you.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP02 Feb 2019 12:37 a.m. PST

The day I go in UK (LOL), I have so many correspondents to see, that I do not leave before long (LOL) …

Basha Felika02 Feb 2019 1:50 p.m. PST

Just make sure your visit is before 28th March: after that, maybe we don't let you in….or out!! :-)

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2019 12:59 a.m. PST

No no,i's you ,if you visit the Newbury Wargames Show ('Colors') and meetthe Dr. Halsall, please ask him to contact me on TMP, thank you.

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